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Weird email with WC content. Dan?

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Weird email with WC content. Dan?

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

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becasue I need to use them I am torn between searching for something better

and settleing for something I can get on with. Yours are all good ideas

that need pursueing. The green wheels do work. Phil has used them. I

borrowed some 40. 20 and 10 micron diamond coated cloth and it worked

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I got the above email from, ostensibly, Bill Tindall last night; but the sender's address was BJTindall@adelphia.net instead of his normal bjtindall@mindspring.com address used here. Don't really know what's going on, but it's suspicious. As I recall the topic, it's probably from the archives, a portion of a reply.

Pam

Re: Weird email with WC content. Dan?

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Boy, you got me.

Dan Donaldson

>I have no clue, especially with an unusual address. The only thing that I can think of (assuming that the return address is valid)is that someone with that address got a virus and sent out junk mail to the address book. As to where the content came from, that is weird. The only thing that I can think of is from something stored on a hard drive, although it is really a stretch of imagination that something related to WC would get chosen to send. Was there anything else about the e-mail that was strange? Any attachements etc?

Also, did you talk to Bill to see if it is a valid address and if he might have sent something and just got part of what he wanted in the copy?

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Re: Weird email with WC content. Dan?

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

>Me either. Got better things to do then send out bogus e-mails.

Dan CLermont

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Re: Weird email with WC content. Dan?

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>I didn't think it was you for a moment, Dan, was merely calling on Dan Donaldson to let him know some weird things were happening, maybe.

Pam

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Re: Boy, you got me.

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>I immediately flagged the email because I hadn't been involved in any of the current CPM 3V threads, so it was weird that Bill would have been sending me anything at this time. No, I didn't check with Bill.

However, I remembered the thread that was partially quoted as being here a while ago, and I figured that perhaps some others had received similiar email, that it probably wouldn't be a good idea to reply.

Pam

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In a different but...

Christopher Fitch @ Memphis

>perhaps similar case, I now receive emails from someone purporting to sell some CD containing woodworking info/sofware.

Given that I never heard of them before, never signed up for their newsletter, and they sent the email to an address I only use on here, I'm guessing someone did some email adress harvesting on WC.

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Yes, I get that one, too.

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

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Re: Weird email with WC content. Dan?

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As far as I know...

Dan Donaldson

>If you get spam from an address used only here, someone had to harvest it by hand. Because of the way that the boards are set up, robots cannot harvest addresses automatically. The page that you are reading doesn't even exist until you call it up, and then only in your browser. The address that I use here on the boards gets virtually no spam.

The addresses on the front page (to Ellis, links, articles etc) are static addresses and they get spammed terribly. A couple of them redirect to me, and I sometimes get 600 or more spam messages a day. (the spam filters catch most of them and I normally only have to deal with 20 or so of them.)

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Re: In a different but...

paul womack

>message to OLDTOOLS

Yeah, I got that one. The off-list reponses I got from helpful OLDTOOLs members appeared to indicate that OLDTOOLS wasn't being harvested.

On the bright side, I emailed the contact address on the site, and was told (I await the evidence...) that I had been removed.

I don't think they're "mass spammers", just over enthusiastic business people with no idea about good manners on the internet.

w.r.t the OP, some spammers use real text harvested from real web pages to try to fool virus scanners.

BugBear

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Re: In a different but...

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>some spammers use real text harvested from real web pages to try to fool virus scanners

Aha, so software virus detection tests include a lookup to existing web pages? Interesting, but hard to imagine that any good developer would leave it at that. Among other things, all a bad guy would have to do is set up his/her own web page somewhere and quote that one.

Pam

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Re: In a different but... (OT)

Michael Recchione

>No, I don't think that's it, particularly not in your case. The objective for a virus program is to get out of the host and into other machines. The ones that propagate by email infect a machine and then start sending emails out, sometimes to random addresses, sometimes just to everyone on your contact list. Whether the objective is Denial of Service (in which case just flooding a server is the objective), spamming or spreading a payload (adware, spyware, destructive code, etc.), the attacking program has to get a bunch of emails out of the infected machine in order to succeed.

So most virus protection software is set up to identify and block suspicious outgoing email. A flood of emails with identical subjects or identical bodies qualifies as "suspicious", and most protection software will warn and ask for confirmation before letting more than a few emails with the same content go out. To get around that, attacks started generating random sequences of characters or words and packing the email bodies with them or grabbing text off the infected machine's hard drive and packing it into the generated outgoing emails so they'd look different. (That's what the message you received looks like, BTW).

Of course, the random sequences of characters that don't make words in your native language are easy to spot. Random sequences of words are much harder to spot and often get by both outgoing mail screening and server screening. But even these start to develop a profile that can be spotted by a screening program that "learns" (like Yahoo's spam filter, which works really well, BTW). The messages constructed by grabbing text off the infected machine's hard drive are harder, since they look valid and it's customary to quote some portion of a received email in a valid response. A spam message will typically be constructed by having some random quoted portion and the spam message in the body of the email. Grabbing content off random web pages is a further wrinkle - it increases the randomization factor while still usually passing "valid language" tests.

But the virus protection program isn't checking to make sure your email body corresponds to some web page somewhere (what would be the point of that?). It's just checking to make sure the email your machine is trying to send out (or, in the case of a service provider, that it's being asked to pass along) isn't too much like other emails you've sent out recently.

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Thanks, Michael.

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

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