OK, now I'm asking about side rabbets

2506, 98/99 and 1369

Dave Thompson - Champaign IL

>Hi Bill, I have a #2506 and a Stanley #98. While the 2506 isn't much to look at, mine is well tuned, and I use it often. It works well for me. As such, I haven't had as much motivation to get the #98 performing as well as I suspect it's capable. When I bought it used, I don't think the skewed blade was maintained at the correct angle.

If I was going for aesthetics, I'd go for the predecessor to the #2506, that being a Preston #1369 (early ones with nickel handle). While being the coolest looking of the three, it also has a screw depth adjustor for each blade. Typically goes on e-bay for around the same price as a pair of new LN 98/99. Caveat... I don't own the Preston, nor have I used it ;-). It's just on my some-day list.

Regarding the depth adjustor, I believe this is addditionally useful as an aid to help maintain the plane perpendicular and tracking as it should.

enjoy,

Dave

Preston 1369

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>I owned one of these for about a month 4 years ago. It was beautiful, about the highest gizmosity factor available in hand tools, and worked very nicely. Unfortunately my business entered hard times about the same time the Preston arrived from the UK, had to ask myself how crazy am I to spend more than $200 on such a thing when I had no reasonable expectation of more dollars coming in any time soon, sold it for a small profit (like $10) to a local old tools group member, bought a couple of old wooden side rebates which I never use.

These days I drool over the LN 98/99 set, but hadn't been able to convince myself that I really need side rebates until this morning. I was watching the Cosmo dvd on piston fit drawer making (full review coming soon) and he used one to relieve one side of a groove, including removing the shoe for a bull nose use where the side met the top. I thought that was pretty cool and useful, probably more controllable out of the box than an actual bull nose.

Pam

LN #98/99

Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Yeah Pam, that is the one that finally pushed me over the edge and order the set from LN. For my birthday, mind you, so I did have an excuse. And Rosewood knobs - my wife is generous!

I have used the #79 for many years and I consider it a terrific little plane. I do not leave the other blade to trail, resetting it each time. This is a bit of a hassle, but not excessive, and I would have lived with it .... if Rob was not so damn cool using his 98/99!

Regards from Perth

Derek

Re: LN #98/99

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Hey, that's right, I've got a birthday coming up. :)

Pam

Re: Preston 1369

Jim Shaver - Oakville, Ontario

>Hi pam,

I have that same dvd set by Rob. I was noticing the 140 he uses in the dvd does not look like the 140 LN sells, do you know if that one in his hand is indeed a Stanley or a LN?

The 98/99 looks so simple to use, just for the right application.

Thank You!

take care,

Jim

Re: Preston 1369

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>I'm not at all sure about the 140. Went through that section of the dvd in slow motion, still can't tell. At first I thought it was a Stanley, for two reasons: it looks like the plane is japanned and the plane has a hump on the right side (from the user's viewpoint); but the cap iron on both has a distinctive style, kind of brushed something. Also, it seemed generally darker that the LN.

Do you happen to know why he kept the shoe on the 98/99 for most of the length and only removed it at the very end of the cut?

Pam

Re: #140 and #98/99

Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Hi Pam

I am pretty sure that the #140 was a LN - it certainly was not a Stanley since Rob used a built-in fence. I have a Stanley #140 and this does not have a fence.

With regard the shoe on the #98/99, it was removed at the end to complete the cut right up and into the corner. Until that point it acted as a mouth and extra registration for the little plane. In other words, it is like going from a bullnose plane to a chisel plane.

Regards from Perth

Derek

Re: #140 and #98/99

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Thanks on the 140, Derek.

On the 98/99, is the extra registration needed to avoid digging in? I understood that he needed to make it a bull nose at the end, but not why it couldn't be a bull nose for the entire cut.

Pam

Those pesky lil' #98/99s

Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Hi again Pam

I suspect that you are correct that he wanted to protect the wood from the possibility that the blade might dig in and create any tearout. These planes are set up with very low cutting angles, and are sure to be Tearout City on tricky face grain. I assume that closing the mouth helps to some degree.

Incidentally, with the nose section on, the plane essentially is already in bullnose plane mode. It did not go into bullnose mode when he removed the nose piece. That act transformed the plane into a chisel plane (so he could complete the cut to the very edge).

Regards from Perth

Derek

Re: #2506, #79

paul womack

>The 2506 is a nice plane because it is like a 79 but, you can have both blades set unlike the 79. I know you can have both set on a 79 but, I don't like the trailing blade dragging across the work dulling it.

Well, I'm normally a big fan of Record stuff, but the 2506 has a BIG problem. One clamp holds BOTH blades, which means that when adjusting one blade (with the clamp loosened...) it's all too easy to move the other.

On blunting the trailing blade on a #79. all I can say is, if it blunts at all, it must blunt VERY slowly, 'cause I've never had any trouble in this regard.

BugBear (owner and user of a #79)

Re: Preston 1369

paul womack

>including removing the shoe for a bull nose use where the side met the top.

The #79 nose is either "full", reversed for bull nose, or removed for chisel mode.

All the functionality of the #98 nose.

BugBear

Re: OK, now I'm asking about side rabbets

paul womack

> the Sargent 81. I find the Sargent to be the handiest of the bunch, followed closely by the 98/99, and trailed significantly by the 79.

Sargent 81's are going for under $100 on Ebay - sometimes a lot less.

I didn't know about this one. A little research shows trans-atlantic influence.

The Sargent is NOT a Stanley knock-off. It's a Preston/Record knock-off!

It's pretty much identical to the Record #2506.

BugBear

Re: Preston 1369

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

>Jim,

LN sold a White Bronze 140 which may have looked like an older Stanley.

Dan CLermont

Re: Stanley 79

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Thanks, Paul, and they are quite a bit cheaper on ebay than the 98/99 pair.

Pam

Re: Those pesky lil' #98/99s

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Incidentally, with the nose section on, the plane essentially is already in bullnose plane mode. It did not go into bullnose mode when he removed the nose piece. That act transformed the plane into a chisel plane (so he could complete the cut to the very edge).

Yeah, I mispoke. What I really meant to say was.... :)

Pam

Re: Preston 1369

Paul Kierstead

>I have that same dvd set by Rob. I was noticing the 140 he uses in the dvd does not look like the 140 LN sells, do you know if that one in his hand is indeed a Stanley or a LN?

I believe it was an iron version of the 140; At the Ottawa woodshow one or two of theses were available at a slightly lower price.

Re: #2506

Dave Thompson - Champaign IL

>Well, I'm normally a big fan of Record stuff, but the 2506 has a BIG problem. One clamp holds BOTH blades, which means that when adjusting one blade (with the clamp loosened...) it's all too easy to move the other.

Yes, but it's easy to hold down with one's finger, the blade which is not being removed, while the screw is loose. After removing the other blade, just tighten it down again.

Also, to put this in perspective, how many times per decade do you need to re-sharpen a side rabbet plane?

Re: #2506

paul womack

> Also, to put this in perspective, how many times per decade do you need to re-sharpen a side rabbet plane?

Fair point :-)

BugBear

Re: Preston 1369

Jim Shaver - Oakville, Ontario

>Hi Pam,

I will check with Rob. In the first week of March he'll be here at our wood club giving us his annual presentation..I can make images of what he has if that helps.

take care,

Jim

Re: Preston 1369

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Hmmm, I have a couple or three more questions/quibbles that I'd love to have answered. You can read read all about them when I get this review done.

It'd be cool to have his explanation for the use of the 98/99.

Pam

Re: Preston 1369

Jim Shaver - Oakville, Ontario

>Let me know Pam,

We like to keep Rob on his toes..Right Rob (I know he reads these...if not me Rob then it will be Ralph!)?

:-)

One thing I will say, his production quality in the DVD is first class for a WW DVD.

take care,

Jim