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Anyone ever build a small bench?

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Anyone ever build a small bench?

Stephen Kirk in Quakterown PA

>Because my garage is unheated, I'm entertaining the idea of building a small cabinet makers bench that I can bring into the heated basement. I'd like to keep the face and tail vises, couple of dog holes, and such. I'm thinking maybe 4ft long, 30in deep, or so. I only want to use it for handtools. It's a great to practice dovetails, M&T, build planes, and work on other hand tool projects. I can always shiver in the shop while doing the major planing and sawing. If anyone has done this, did you find any gotchas to be aware of, such as a smaller bench not being as stable or such. Hey, if anyone has a plan, let me know. I even considered a pre-fab top, but they are all much bigger.

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joel -( tools for working wood)

>Take look at Roy Underhill's I think "the woodwright's apprentice" I built a small 4 1/2' folding bench using the plans in his book.

nice bench - no real complaints - but heavier is always better.

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ThomD

>I had the exact same idea, and posted a day or two ago the noden thread. If I have to go small, I much prefer long and narrow, vs short and wider. I mean I would take an 8" bench that was 12 inches wide, and probably not notice the difference that much, certainly 18.

Of course in a large shop one can get away with that because there are other work surfaces. Anyway I would try the short type tail vise as with the LV double screw, or a single screw version of it. These take away less useable length fromt he too, and are equaly western and Jap. plane friendly. I would also go for a face vise rather than the L vise. Face vises are very worker specific. And they also eat up space. An alternative would be the kind of vises that fit on top of the bench, these often raise work height in positive ways. They used to be expensive, but now have all kinds of cheap versions. Check out luthier's catalogues, others carry them, but the likes of Lmii pretty much only carry them.

The last thing is you can get some cool trad. bench if all your work is specific like chairmaking or whatever. Look at the Japanese benches, they are pretty similar to roubo crossed with a saw or plane hook/shooting board.

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Darrell in Oakville

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Darrell in Oakville

>Thom,

Yes, I have a small bench, but mine is out in the garage. My shop is in the basement, the opposite of your setup.

The top is 14 inches wide and a bit over 4 feet long, made of 8/4 white pine (cheap and available at the time). The frame is made of 2x6 and 2x8 construction lumber. The end frames are just glued & screwed IIRC, and the crossmembers are connected with those Lee Valley bench bolts. A couple of 2x4 scraps are used as filler strips on the bottom, between the crossmembers, and half a dozen plastic jugs filled with sand fit nicely down there for added weight when required. I have a planing stop across one end, a couple of holes for my holdfasts and an old leg vise ($2 auction find).

The bench is really ugly, but it works well, and can be quickly knocked apart and reassembled when it needs to be moved. I brought it on vacation with me this summer, and managed to fit the bench in amongst the stuff we packed for a 2 week trip to the cottage.

If you want a Thing Of Beauty, you had better stock to hardwoods and full-on mortise & tenon joinery. If you just want some basic functionality to get stuff done, then any old wood & joinery will do.

Looked all over and could not find a picture on the hard drive. I *know* I took one, I just don't know where it's been filed...

Darrell

Wood Hoarder, Blade Sharpener, and Occasional Tool User

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Skip in Falls Church

>Hi Stephen,

My "shop" is half of an 8' x 16' utility room in the basement. I bought a 48" x 20" Sjoberg prefab top with end and face vises and built a base for it. It also has a double row of dog holes aligned with the end vise. I've since replaced the front vise with a better vise - their vises are pretty crappy, but they work. I screwed a 2 x 4 to the wall where my bench sits about 1/4" above the top of the bench as an anti-tipping device. That's been mostly unneeded but I do have a very strong safety background. :) It also keeps most stuff from sliding off the back of the bench.

I put my bench on small wheels with brakes because I needed to move it around - of course it wants to move when I don't want it to. So I used the exposed studs in the wall to "pin" one end to the wall. I pinned the end that I plane from so it doesn't go anywhere when I plane. I used a 3/4" dowel as a pin and left it about 2' long so I can pull the pin and move the bench around as I need to.

It's definitely not the optimum configuration but it's works for me most of the time and fits in the space I have.

Skip

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"managed to fit the bench in amongst the stuff"

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>Your significant other is either REALLY unobservant or VERY tolerant.

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Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>My five foot bench (top: solid core door; base: plywood box; reason for building it that way at the time: boys still lived at home, and no way was I going to do a good bench until they moved out) is fastened to a 2x4 cleat lag-screwed to the wall. Limits my ability to put long clamps across the bench, but it's solid.

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Terry in Ottawa

>I can attest to the portability and the usefulness of Darrell's small workbench as I had the opportunity to try it out at Galootapalooza North.


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Yes (long)

Michael Recchione

>I built one for my garage last spring, because I wanted to be able to work out there in the nice weather (my main shop is in the basement). I also use handtools pretty much exclusively and the free available space in my garage is VERY limited, so my needs were probably similar to yours. I thought about this bench a lot, because I really wanted the "nice weather shop" to be a pleasant place to work, and of course a well designed and functional bench is key. Here are some of the things I did:

First, I decided that a small bench shouldn't try to be a miniaturized large bench. Many of the traditional fixtures we see on a large joiner's or cabinetmaker's bench evolved from the need to work on long boards. You're not going to do that on a small bench in close quarters. In fact, you have to look at a small bench as a different animal altogether. Think of a little bench as a Winebago - it isn't a 4 bedroom colonial with tons of land around it. Every square inch should do double and triple duty. The keys, at least for me, turned out to be "solidity" and "transformability".

For solidity, the first thing is to make the thing as heavy as practical. I went with a traditional sled foot base made from construction 4x4s from HD for the uprights and the sled feet, and 2x8s for the stretchers. The top is roughly 2'X 4', made from 4 layers of 3/4" oak plywood from the borg, laminated together. I have no easy way to cut or transport full sheets of plywood, so I just bought the 2'x4' panels they sell there. I edged the top in maple, so it comes in at 25.5' X 49.5'. The bench is pretty heavy, but I also mounted a shelf where a bunch of heavy iron is stored. You may find you want to bolt the bench to the wall or floor as well. (I didn't need to with mine - the weight is enough.)

The idea of transformability was to make it easy to hold the run of the mill stuff appropriate to a bench this size, but also and especially to make it easy to hold special purpose fixtures that would in turn hold other stuff. Examples of these special purpose jigs include a twin screw vise for dovetailing, a relief-carving extension including a bird's mouth, a swivel machinist's vise mounted on a 2x6 so that it can be cantilevered out in front of the bench, a sticking board, a bench hook, etc. These things mostly live on the shelf below the bench, and help weigh it down.

I wound up skipping the tail vise altogether. There didn't seem to be whole lot of point to having one on such a short bench, and I felt being able to work off the right end of the bench for crosscutting, etc, outweighed any small benefit a tail vise would have provided. I have not regretted this decision at all.

For the face vise, I went with an iron quick-release vise mounted inboard of the left leg. I mounted the vise about an inch proud of the front face of the bench rather than flush with the front face, to give more clearance for the various jigs and appliances. I considered making an apron and boring holes for holdfasts and pegs, but again, for such a short bench, making special provisions for holding long boards seemed pretty silly. Another decision I don't regret.

I managed to get two of the big Record holdfasts off eBay, and mounted them so that one of them can clamp things close to the right end of the bench and the right front, and the other (closer to the vise), can clamp things near the front face. (I'll try to post a picture if you're interested). This has turned out to be a very versatile arrangement, useful for holding work on the benchtop and particularly for holding the various special-purpose jigs. The only problem with the Record holdfasts is that they're discontinued, and it's really hard to get extra mounting collars. So you're pretty much limited to picking just one spot to mount one of these in and sticking to it. I'm probably going to drill two more holes closer to the back, to mount the new Grammercy Park holdfasts I'm getting as a surprise for Christmas :-).

Again, on such a small bench, a tool tray is way too much of a luxury. Yet it's nice to be able to set stuff down and have your commonly used things close at hand. I solved that problem by mounting the most commonly used tools against the wall and window behind the bench, and keeping a portable tool caddy on the bench to function as a tool tray. When I need the benchtop real estate, I just lift the caddy off.

Anyway, I'd be interested in hearing how you solve your small bench problem. I know it's hard to get excited about a small workbench, glued and bolted together from construction lumber and plywood. But in many ways the constraints imposed by limited space pose challenges that give rise to the most interesting and imaginative solutions.

- Mike

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Steve Kubien

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Steve Kubien

>Kathy is very tolerant, and a galoot-ess of the highest order. Ya gotta know she's tolerant of benches. Heck, she even 'let' Darrell build a trebuchet on his front lawn!

Cheers,

Steve Kubien

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Steve Kubien

Alternative tail vise *LINK*

Steve Kubien

>If you are set on having a tail vise, consider using some of the Veritas Wonder Dogs (or the smaller shanked Pups). It might make sense on a smaller bench. Alternatively, skip the tail vise idea all together and use stops and holdfasts/battens.

My 2 cents

Steve Kubien


Veritas Wonder Dog

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Darrell in Oakville

That's the one!

Darrell in Oakville

>Terry,

I see you got a picture of my bench. Thanks, it saves me

digging it out from behind the trebuchet out in the garage

just for two minutes to get a photo.

Darrell

Wood Hoarder, Blade Sharpener, and Occasional Tool User

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Darrell in Oakville

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Darrell in Oakville

>Oh no, she is anything BUT unobservant! But she is quite tolerant of my tool addiction. She has her own ;^) Right now she's down in the shop finishing off a glue-up for some christmas ornaments she's turning. And her English phone-box bird feeder rehab job is taking up the other half of the workbench. Me and my tendonitis just sit on the sidelines and dream... sigh.

Darrell

Wood Hoarder, Blade Sharpener, and Occasional Tool User

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Wait, did you say trebuchet?

Stephen Kirk in Quakterown PA

>Wouldn't a dog have been a lot easier?

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Versatile small bench

Bob Hackett(Mainely,Bob)

>Drew Langsner had plans for a very compact and versatile bench in one of his books,I think it may have been the Chairmakers Workshop.

The Workbench book also has alot of ideas that can be scaled down to work very well in a small space.

I think Mike`s ideas about making the most use of the small space are very sound advice.Alot can be done with jigs and separate work supports as long as you have a substantial(weight wise) and stable base to work from.We used to build and repair steel hulled boats in excess of 100 feet in length from a single 4X6 foot steel platten.The joiners built the wooden equivalent on benches that were longer but only 2 foot in width.

Mainely,Bob

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ThomD

>I like it! If the screw hardware was chromed it would be very impressive!

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Re: Yes (long)

Stephen Kirk in Quakterown PA

>Wow, that was a very detailed review. I'm glad you said that the tail vice wasn't that useful in a short bench since you can't clamp boards anyway. My main uses would be dovetailing (or at least learning how to), some smaller planing jobs (such as making some wooden planes), I may set my scroll saw on it, other joinery, some small projects (as in NOT a Dutch Highboy or a Gazebo - more like small boxes and such).

Another thing I considered is making a cover for it so it can double as a finishing bench (since the garage is just too cold), and also handle canning activities (nice solid place to clamp the juicer/strainer) and we may as well do potting on it too.

Thanks for some of the ideas. If I do get something made, I'll throw up some pictures.

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Stephen Kirk in Quakterown PA

>I'd thought of skipping the tail vice just to keep the cost down. And now I read the good reasons from Mike for not having one, so there probably won't be one on.

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ThomD

>One thing that works well if a person doesn't want a tail vise, is to make the top out of softwood. It holds wood from swinging around a lot better than polished hardwood, which tends to feel like a skating rink in comparison.

Drews bench is nice, but it's a specialty thing for chairs. Any specialization down from a cabinetmaker's bench is going to make small easier.

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ThomD

>Anyone built an oudoor bench? The idea would be a bench that could be left outdoors without needing to be covered or disassembled, but had some significant utility. I'm talking a real bench, not a potting bench.

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Making a cover

Michael Recchione

>I had the same idea, although "making" is giving it way too much dignity :-) I just bought a 2'X4' sheet of 1/4" masonite, and I lay it on top of the bench when it needs to be protected from whatever.

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David Barnett

An intriguing design... *LINK*

David Barnett

>"Weekend Woodcrafts", Issue #26, April 1996, featured an interesting small yet versatile workbench 'system' that extended its usefulness (and effective length) with matching trestle sawhorses. The bench itself came off looking surprisingly massive yet rather elegant. There was one vise made from the usual hardware with the jaw running edge to edge at the front. The rest of the top was a matching vise jaw, two 8.25" x 18" x 2.5" leaves and a rear apron. There are four round dogholes on the top proper, with two more on the moving vise jaw. Two 6" x 2.5" x 33" legs were joined into heavy stretchers rear of center.

Their bench was birch. Construction was amazingly simple and could be done with a few hand tools. I've threatened to build this bench in a slightly more beefy version (I've got a bunch of 16/4 hard maple) but never really could rationalize the need (although that has not always stopped me).

Although the magazine has not been published since 2003, they still maintain a site and apparently sell back issues, but I'd email them first, I think.


There's a small cover shot on the order site

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Paul Kramer

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Paul Kramer

>Steve,

I have the bench pictured below as my primary bench. The shop is too small for much bigger though I have a plan to build something else eventually. It's biggest drawback is lack of weight -- it tends to slide around especially when planing and sawing. Since my shop floor is wood I have been able to attach "stabilizers" to the floor that hold the bottom of the feet in place. Another WC contributor gave me the idea of adding oblique "anti-racking" panels to the base that really help solidify the bench. It not only has the shoulder vise shown but also an end vise with a jaw that covers the entire width of the top with two dog holes. The tool tray can be mounted as shown or in the space behind the shoulder vise (to the right in the photograph. I guess a sand box could be added to increase the mass.

Paul


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ThomD

>Intersting, can't entirely make it out, but anything that starts with horses is pretty nice.

I was thinking of maybe a stainless base or at least the ground contact parts, and then s plywood box beam coated with epoxy. A less tech approach is in one of the Woodwright books, in a chapter on sashes or carpenters, shows a guy with a big beam over two posts in the ground (like a massive hitching thing from a western movie). The posts have little cantilevered beams that suport a board/tool tray. The guy pictured is planing stock against stops. One could easily add a double screw vise for stuff like dovetails. I guess this rig is at williamsburg?

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