Est. 1998 — 27 years of woodworking knowledge
rasping a teneon
chichi
>I cut my tenons slightly oversize. I can pare with a chisel or rasp the excess to get to finished size. The rasp works very quickly.
By using a rasp, am I commiting a sin that will preclude me from ever being as good as craftsmen once were?
Bob
Re: rasping a teneon
mikew
>What do you think? Isn't that what matters?
fwiw, I use planes, chisels, files and or rasps--or use the tablesaw, WoodRat or leave them as handsawn. Whatever is at hand and I want to use or is acceptable to me.
Question is, does what I do matter or define me as a craftsman?
Take care, Mike
frank klausz uses a rasp...
frank shic (walnut ck, ca)
>and i think he definitely qualifies as a craftsman!
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Jack Guzman from Maine
>I think using whatever tool does the job best for you and using it well is craftsmanship.I also think that craftsmen in the past used whatever tools were available to them.---Jack
a better man than I.....
bill tindall
>If you can rasp a tennon to size while keeping it from becoming rounded at the edges, I am impressed! I never could, which led me to buying a plane for this task. A suitable plane makes tennon fitting relatively easy, as well as quick.
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William Duffield, on the Cohansey
>What kind of glue are you using? If yellow glue (aliphatic resin), you need a much smoother surface and a much more precise fit for maximum strength than I could ever get with a rasp. For hot hide, glue, you also need a closer fit, because it too shrinks as it dries. If you are using epoxy or gorilla glue, a rasp should be fine, and you won't need to be as good a craftsman as you imagine the old timers might have been.
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mikew
>I suspect it depends on the rasp. I use Aurious, and a fine one at that. Leaves the surface smoother than a tablesaw.
But then, I use a very smooth cutting BS blade to cut many tenons (mainly double ones). I most often do not need to touch them at all...and if I do, a couple licks of a file works.
Files and rasps--the right ones--can be capable of exceedingly fine work. And fast as well. I have files and rasps on a couple walls in my shop. Always at hand. Takes less time for many things than going to the tool cabinet and grabing a plane.
Take care, Mike
I'm with you, Bill
Bruce, a MN Galoot
>I tried rasping for a while, and couldn't get them flat without rounding over the cheeks. If you can do it, I sure see no problem with rasping.
Bruce
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Arw01
>Do you have a photo of one of the rasps and would you mind making a few passes with it so I could see?
In my hand tool class I overheard Rob telling another student he made the lid's fielding with a Auroru rasp and was shocked at how great a surface it left on it's own.
Alan
Re: I'm with you, Bill
Dean Lapinel
>As you state "if you can do it"...I agree with you. I would like to add that rasping or filing dead flat is a skill that can be learned just like cutting dovetail lines.
Is this a test?
Adam Cherubini
>By using a rasp, am I commiting a sin that will preclude me from ever being as good as craftsmen once were?
No. The rasp is not your sin, Bob. The oversized sawing is the sin that will prelude you from achieving your goals. Knock it off. I'm not going to sit here and validate your imminent purchase of an $80 rasp for tenon fitting. Be a man and saw to that line. Don't chicken out. If you blow it you have my blessings to make it fit BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY (pretty sure that's a Roy Underhill quote, BTW).
Adam
Re: Is this a test?
mikew And I certainly would not toss a piece of wood because I sawed it a little off. So, for me, a file or rasp it is when needed. However, what Adam is saying is valuable advice. I'm often marking and making practice cuts. So try to find ways to practice. If nothing else, practice sawing when you are about to saw a tenon--just like before doing DTs if it's been a while. I always cut up scrap when I'm in the shop--I feel the practice is not only worthwhile, but I can avoid cleaning the shop that much longer Take care, Mike
>Well, I certainly would never purchase an Auriou (or Nicholson rasps or files) for only fitting tenons--they are useful for many tasks--like making saw handles
Me too! Rounded and tapered. Ugh.
Paul Kierstead
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mikew
>The Auriou rasps can be seen at The Best Things, which is where I purchase them.
The size I used in the picture is the 6-200-10, which is a 200 mm long, medium fine rasp. It's $66. Don't buy it for only tenons. But once you use good hand-cut rasps, you'll see them and files are very fast tools.
The picture below shows the tenon as sawn on the left, rasped on the right. The saws I use leave a good enough surface that unless I cut off, I don't normally rasp them. If I cut wide, well, a file or rasp.
The right side shows the finish of the rasp on this "woody" Meranti. Maybe 10 seconds, which included reaching across my bench and grabing from the rack. But if you want a smooth tenon, there isn't a faster way of making it. It is easier to control the depth than a plane. imo of course.
Take care, Mike
The Best Things--Auriou rasps page
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Bruce, a MN Galoot
>A machinist friend of mine (old school) tells me that filing was the first skill they had to master when he learned the trade. It can be learned.
Bruce
Good timing
Bob Dodge
>I was just going to ask if anyone ever heard of the Ariou rasps. Rob Cosman was carrying those at the Ottawa woodworking show. Thanks for the link.
Bob
Re: Good timing
Norman (Metcalfe, Ont.)
>I had a look at those myself Bob..
Pricey, but meticulously handmade according to Rob.
I have a couple of standard Nicholsons at the moment,
maybe some time in the future.
Norman
Joel carries them
Dan Donaldson
>Joel, at www.toolsforworkingwood.com has them also.
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William Duffield, on the Cohansey
>That's spelled Auriou (pronounced "Are you?" in my abysmal French accent), if anyone is interested in Googling them or searching the WC Hand Tool Forum messages and archives. They are also carried by Joel at Tools for Wooking Wood, by Lee Richmond at The Best Things, and by Dante DiIanni at Di Legno Supply. I don't see Auriou featured on Lie-Nielsen's webpage, only Nicholson???
I haven't used one, but I see a need for some in the near future. The main reasons I haven't tried one out, in spite of the very good comments I've seen by many respected woodworkers, is the price and because I get along very well with my Nicholson #49 and #50 and some Grobets, that I haven't worn out yet. I'm used to the Nicholsons because I've been using them for several years, before the Auriou rasps were made available in the U.S. The Nicholsons are also much less expensive, when you can find them on sale. Watch Di Legno, Jamestown Distributors, and Boggs for good prices.