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The Sounds That Planes Make

Derek Cohen (in Perth Australia)

>I have slowly, but increasingly, become aware of an interesting phenomenon about the sounds that planes make. Now I am speaking about the difference in sound made by Bevel Down and Bevel Up planes.

This appears to occur among all the equivelant versions I have, such as LV LA Smoother vs #604, LV BU Smoother vs #4 1/2, LV LA Jack vs #5 1/2 and, this past weekend (which finally inspired me to write this), the differences in sound between a LV BU Jointer and a #7.

I do not think it has to do with the type of wood used (hard vs soft), nor with sharpeness (both planes had freshly honed blades) or the thickness of the blade (although the BUJ used the standard 3/16" blade while the #7 used a Smoothcut blade - 4mm? - and a thick Clifton two-piece chipbreaker). The two planes did have different cutting angles, 62 degrees verses 45 degrees, and this may have influenced the outcome, but I recall that it is present on various BU angles anyway.

OK, so what was the sound?

The #7 (along with other Bevel Down planes) goes "Schhhiiiiik", a high pitched, clean sound (that we are all familiar with).

The BUJ (along with all other Bevel Up planes) goes "Schhhok", a lower pitched, slightly muffled sound.

Does this reflect a more solid, energy-absorbing bed in the BU design? Mmm, I should try this out with an Infill design, shouldn't I?

This is "Work in Progress". Your thoughts?

Regards from Perth

Derek

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A question

Denis Chénard, Orléans, Ont.

>Since we're on the subject of sound...

A couple weeks ago I was edge planing a piece of cherry with my LV LA jack, and I was getting a "shrieking" sound. I assumed I was going against the grain, even if the surface felt smooth afterwards.

Would that explain it? I was planing that piece for my sister, who was impatient to get on the road to go back home, so I didn't get the time to examine the wood piece in detail...

TIA,

DC

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Ernie Miller

>Interedting observation. it has to do with many factors. sound is created by viberations so the angle of the blade will make a differance but so will the thickness and how well the blade is seated and locked to the body. The cell walls of the board will also make some differance as well as many other factors that I have not thought of. All that realy matterws is that you had fun playing with your planes.

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ydb1md

>Interesting thoughts Derek.

I imagine that the difference in BU and BD sounds has something to do with the fact that in BD's the frog, blade and chipbreaker are sitting pretty high and don't get damped much by the mass of the plane. I'm sure that the frog, blade and breaker interact with each other, due to their imperfect contact points, to amplify any vibrations.

For a given plane size, say a fore plane, do an old stanley, a bedrock and a Lie Nielsen "sing" differently?

The BU's the blade is in very direct contact with the central mass of the plane and this would serve to damp a lot of the blade's vibrations.

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Dave

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Frank D. in Montreal

>Derek,

Sounds like a good idea for a band. If you come out with the CD before Christmas I'll take a copy.

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Jim in Burlington Ont.

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Jim in Burlington On

>What about the sound of your block plane it seems a little higher pitched sound. More like sssshhwwtt. The knight jointer that I have makes a different sound without the higher pitched ending that you get from other BD planes. I do think it would make a interesting CD not sure wether it would be relaxing, intoxicating or stimulating...

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Norman (Ottawa, Ont.)

>Actually Frank made think of a CD-ROM with hand planing noise tracks,

sort of like a meditation CD. We can play it as background music to relax and take our minds of the stress of daily life..

Ok, I know, I'm slowly losing it :))

Norman

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Thoughts

Ian in Sydney

>Derek

could it be the difference between Type 1 and Type 2 chip formation?

could it be diffences in mouth tightness that lead to different length chips?

could it be all in your mind?

Ian

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