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Todd Hughes

>I have seen this more then a few times on ebay. While back there was a no.1 Stanley that didn't sell and with in a week 2 other sellers had identical photos and descriptions up in seperate parts of the country and Can. having collected them from the original seller. I emailed them and the one guy said he couldn't take photos so just "borried" the other sellers. I reported it to ebay and the auction was pulled. Imagine this happens a good bit

The other night I sold a pair of Saddle bags on ebay for a bit over $1,200. Today I get an email from the back up bidder saying that he had been contacted by someone pretending to be me offering him the bags for his high bid saying that the deal feel though with the high bidder. Of course I never did this and I don't anticipate any problims with the high bidder. I had the identical think happen last year on a pricy pair of Binoculars I sold. I guess scammers cruise the 'bay looking for auctions that end at high prices and send emails out hoping that the back up bidders are slow heads and will send them the cash. If it works one time out of a 100 they are making out....got to be careful out there

Oh by the way in my opinon this axe looks "Funny" to me, not HaHa funny but funny queer. While hard to tell by one small photo the head sure looks like a fake to me. Kind of interesting that a scammer would pick a fake axe in his attempt to pull off his con , eh?....Todd

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Mike Jensen

>Hmmm. I've had other people "borry" my auction pictures and text every once in awhile. I didn't know it was a sin with eBay. Kinda figured they wouldn't care unless it cost them some money.

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Ernie Miller

>O yess fill me in there I have gone out a barrowed text befor when I knew exactly nothing about the item I was selling. But I usualy grag somthing from two or three differant auctions so it is some what differant.

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Todd Hughes

>Here is what Ebay has to say about that. gets a little bit greyer when the photos and description is lifted from a non ebay auction.Probably still is prohibted since it is copywrited material...just like you can't use a photo taken from a book...Todd


Using others auctions

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Joel

>I am curious why you think the axe head is fake. David Stanley is one of the leading experts on tools in the world, and he sees more European tools than just about anybody. (he also will give you your money back if the item isn't as described).

I don't know what the axehead went for but the estimate was $10-$20K so you would expect only knowledgeable collectors to be bidding on it.

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Ernie Miller

>Guess I better get a little better at my own discriptions. I only have done it a couple times but you never know. How about a critique? how is my listing for the H & R shoes for the 45 hand plane? Wish I had that other blade!

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Todd Hughes

>I have seen several axes like this over the years and one of the things that really raises a red flag is that it is a rather crudely made axe that is very well decorated. If original I think the person that made it would have started out with a better made axe while a forger would use a readly avaiable and cheap axe to start with.If the blacksmith could decorate the axe like this , he could and would make a better axe to do it on.Forgers [not the type now that work with hot metal] will often just pick an antique to inhance and will not be so knowledgable as to choose a correct one. In this example not only it is rather roughly made but it is a common trade type axe axe and not a Coopers axe though the figure on it is supposed to be a cooper.You would think if the original 'smith went to this much trouble to put a figure of a cooper on an axe it would be on a coopers axe? When you see something like this you have to ask yourself why would it have been made? Took alot of work to make the decoration but certainly not a show piece since it is on a common type of axe. To me it is much more plausable as to the reason it was made was to fool a modern day collector

Certainly seeing this type of decoration on an old axe is no proof it was made in the 1500 or 1600s or that it was decorated then and I fail to see how a seller could come out and say that it was made then. The best he could say is that it is a decorated axe of a type used during that time [and as well as the 1800s and 1900s by the way]

As to experts and big dollar collectors or sellers knowing what they have or are buying or selling....well having seen more then a few of the axes and other stuff I made fool many of them into thinking they were originals I know better ....Todd

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Joel

>The other side of the axe shows a women - his wife? I find the caracture extremely well done by a real artist caracturing real people. It makes more sense that the axe was made as a present to a partilar family household rather than as a professonal token - so not being a cooper's axe isn't a big deal. Actually being a typcial axe for general use around the house makes sense considering the decorations. I would easily see it as a present made by a family friend to commemorate maybe a new house or house building or something like that. It might be a wedding gift but

I think not - the couple look too old and prosperous.

Age can also be determined by looking at the material and the type of construction. of course a forger could get very old iron if they really wanted to but doing it right is really hard. Also where and when it was collected. if the provenounce is more than 40 or 50 years I doubt very highly it was forged as there would be no market for it back then.

If it was made later than than the 16 or 17th c - by someone not trying to deceive, the clothing and style would be different. So it's either a very new forgery - don't really thinks so (assuming the metaluryg checks out) or the right animal. or if provenanced for more than 40 years - most definiely genuine.