Dean's bench photos?

Re: Dean's bench photos?

Dan Donaldson

>Only a certain number of messages are available online as live messages. Before a certain date (number of messages dependent) the messages get put into the archives where they can be read, but not replied to etc. That message is probably in the archives. Look to the left to see a link to the archives. Or look Here.

Re: Dean's bench photos?

Frank D. in Montreal

>Thanks Dan,

I was confusing the "Search" function on top of the page with the archives on the left. One more question: how can I point someone to Dean's post? When I paste the URL in the bar on top of the page, it just gives me the search page. How can I get the URL of the precise page (Dean's message)?

Thanks again,

Frank

This link?  *LINK*

Ed Thomas, Leaside (Toronto) Ontario

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http://woodcentral.com.ldh0138.uslec.net/cgi-bin/a

Exactly Ed,

Frank D. in Montreal

>How'd you do that??? (Where did you get the URL to post the link?)

Fairly easy

Ed Thomas, Leaside (Toronto) Ontario

>Searched for posts by Dean in the date range provided. Opened the link in a new window. URL shows up in the address bar. Copy and paste.

If you're using frames and just click on the link, the post and thread will show up in the lower frame, but the URL shown is that for the upper frame. BTW, I'm using a Mac but it should be the same on a PC.

HTH, Ed

Re: Dean's bench photos?

Dean J in MN

>You can find it here:

http://www.mm.com/user/deanj/bench/bench.html

-Dean

Thanks everyone!

Frank D. in Montreal

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Re: Dean's bench photos?

Tom in Tipp

>Dean,

How does that work having your vise on the right-hand end rather than the usual left side? I can see some advantages by having the crochet and bench dogs more accessible. Are there other points I'm missing (that I should be smart enough to realize on my own?) How much use do the clamping devises get in a percent? Half/half or more use in one system than the other?

thanks,

Tom

Re: Dean's bench photos?

Dean J in MN

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Dean,

How does that work having your vise on the right-hand end rather than the usual left side? I can see some advantages by having the crochet and bench dogs more accessible. Are there other points I'm missing (that I should be smart enough to realize on my own?) How much use do the clamping devises get in a percent? Half/half or more use in one system than the other?

To be honest, you could take that vise off my bench and it would take me a while to even notice. Really, it is nice to have for case sides, but you can do the same with the crochet and a clamp. In fact I just finished up doing just that for a case with 24" sides, my vise only has 24" on center between the screws so I couldn't use the twin screw to clamp the sides to cut the dovetails. "Regular" case sides fit well between the screws.

As far as percent usage... It ends up being very low in my current work. If I were a chair builder that may be different (or I'd have a decent shave horse in that case). But for case work, and mortise and tenon work I only use it for cutting the dovetails, and tenons. In both cases the crochet and a holdfast or clamp would serve.

While it is nice, you can do an awful lot without it.

On the other hand, you'd have to pry my holdfasts and battens out of my hands. I would not give them up without a fight. They are the essence of the bench.

-Dean

Re: Dean's bench photos?

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>Here's what I do. My browser has a right click option to "open frame in new window". Yours should have an equivalent tool. Use it. In the new window the url of the message will be accessible.

Devolution

Frank D. in Montreal

>I just wanted to thank you Dean for posting your bench pictures. I'm still on my first bench and have been trying to figure out what kind of vice/gizmo I could add to make it better. I have carpenter's vices gathering dust on a shelf and I thought of buying a tail vice, but I've gotten along just fine so far with stops and holdfasts. When I saw your bench and Chis Schwarz's bench I realized that I was searching in vain, and that even if I could add some vices they would just barley increase my bench's functionality. Now I use holdfasts on the apron kind of like like a twin screw. Moreover, my shop is really small (11' by 14', with 2 full walls of windows and 2 doors...) and most of the time a vice would just get in the way. I might stick a leg vice on eventually. Some people think I'm crazy when I say I prefer having no vices. So thanks for liberating me--I'm a vise-free guy who has come out of the closet.

Frank

Re: Devolution

Dean J in MN

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So thanks for liberating me--I'm a vise-free guy who has come out of the closet.

I think Newton summed it up well when he said, "If I have seen further it is by standing on ye shoulders of Giants."

I'm indebted to many, and only happy I was able to encourage you to search further.

Good Luck

Dean

I'm with you!

Steve Kubien

>I too have been caught up in Dean's bench-saga and have gone a similar route. I re-used my existing top which includes a sliding bench dog (think of it as an enclosed tail vise) and added the wide apron, holdfasts etc. Removing the shoulder vise seems to have cleared LOADS of space in my shop.

Thanks Dean, Adam and others who have helped bring this vision to those of us in the dark.

Steve Kubien