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MikeW

>Thank you, Lyn.

That is one of the best outcomes from the attacks against Derek's, Alf's, Pam's, etc. (sorry if I have left you off) integrity that I can think of.

Again, thank you, and all of you who write these opinions and reviews of the tools they use--regardless of whence they came.

MikeW

Great news

Dan Donaldson

>I really enjoy your reviews and look forward to seeing your opinions on tools. I don't care one way or the other how you got them, but opinions of people with skills are always good. At times, I also even learn something from the post that perhaps was not intended by the author. for instance, in the post about the low angle plane, one thing that I picked up on was the differing performance of the various bevel angles. Part of the results are due to the plane, but some of it is related just to the angle. It also helped that all of the testing was done with the same plane. the review was not necessarily about bevel angles, but there was some useful info there as well.

Also, in general, no review of any tool around here is by only one person. As more people get the tools and provide their comments, it puts together a pretty good picture of the tool and its usefulness. Most of the time, there is general agreement, which tends to lend credibility to all of the comments. There are also disagreements, but as long as they stay in the factual mode, I think that we all learn something. It may just be that for your method of work, it doesn't suit, but for others it is the greatest thing sinced sliced bread. In this case, you might get some insite by looking at how others work and perhaps find a new skill.

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fmutchler@adelphia.net

>Welcome "back", Lyn :>)!! Many of us have sorely missed your contibutions. You certainly made my day, er, night!

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Ben Knebel

>Well Hallelujah;

Does this mean we'll soon see the study on the multiple bedding angle infills you did way back when? :) Please--pretty please

Best regards

Ben

Glad to hear it...

Christopher Fitch @ Memphis

>I have sorely missed your commentary in public forums.

;)

As for the rest, I fully support Alf/Derek/Pam etc...in giving their comments on tools. I also support disclosure of where the tool came from but I won't comment any further.

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paul womack

>In the future, if I have something that I think may be helpful to report (which was always the point of my writings), I shall continue to try to report it well; if I don't, I won't. You all individually will decide what you wish to make of them.

At the risk of sounding a little West coast: "most excellent"

BugBear

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paul womack

>Does this mean we'll soon see the study on the multiple bedding angle infills you did way back when? :) Please--pretty please

I thought that never happened! This is great!

BugBear

Huzzah!

Alice Frampton, UK

>Every cloud really does have a silver lining :~)

Cheers, Alf

As a wise old woodworker once told me...

Bob Hackett

>"If you look around long enough,you can always find someone who will come up with something bad to say about whatever it is you`re doing.Smile,nod,but don`t pay any attention to that guy.If you do you`ll never finish anything.It`s not the talking it`s the doing that counts".

One of my old 1st Sgts explained to me that there were 3 types of people in the world "People who make things happen,Those who watch things happen,and those who wonder what happened"He also explained that it was my job to be in that first group.

After careful consideration I`ve added a forth type"Those who stop(good)things from happening".Those folks get my attention for about 5 seconds,I`ve got things to do.

Make it happen.

Mainely,Bob

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Ben Knebel

>Yea Paul--Lyn had done a study using various infills--we had sent him a set with angles from 45 to 60 degrees as well as a plane that was drilled out to accomodate lead shot so that Lyn could do a wieght study. He also had planes form others as well--Sauer & Stiener, the Steve Thomas plane.I don't recall if the wieght study was done but the bedding angle one was. There is some info on our site about the study when it first was contemplated.

Regards

Ben

www.shepherdtool.com

Great News

Ian in Sydney

>Lyn

If the tools you review come from the sweat of your brow or as gifts from Tom or Rob or whoever, I couldn't care less.

What matters is how your opinion and views are expressed.

This is how I approach all reviews whether it be music, films, books, art or tools. (notice I exclude food from that list. Taste and mouth feel being so personal, I can't for the life of me see how a food review even if objective can really be relied upon.)

If you say a tool looks beautiful and I think it looks a piece of crap, it doesn't mean that either of us is wrong, it just means that our eyes percieve beauty differently.

If you claim that block plane A it is the sweetest block plane ever and plane B is a bit of a dog, and my experience is the opposite, I don't even for a momement think you've been bought off. You're entitled to your opinion and if I disagree strongly enough I'll enter into a civilised dialog with you to understand why our views differ so much. My aim being to beter INTERPRET the other reviews you might share with us.

Ian

PS I'm just jealous you have the opportunity and skill to test and write about some great tools.

PPS reviews by yourself and others convinced me to go out of my way so that I could try out a LV Medium Shoulder Plane. I'm glad I did.

Thank you Lyn

Dave Anderson Chester, NH

>I have always enjoyed the balanced and analytical aspects of both your past reviews and your commentaries. You write both well and concisely and it is a rare occasion that I don't either learn something new or get a different perspective on an established way of thinking.

Thank you!

Greg Ladd

>Lyn,

I am glad to hear you have reconsidered your position.

As someone who is trying to learn more all the time, especially about hand tools, I have always valued the input of those more experienced than myself on things that I feel I need to learn more about.

I am sure I am not the only one who greatly values your opinions.

Greg

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Lyn J. Mangiameli

>Hi Ben,

Yes, it does. Pam long ago identified that there was really a psychological roadblock to its completion, and she was right. I had made it into too overwhelming a project in my fear that someone would find fault with it, or at least that I must be able to adequately defend it against all criticism. Related to this has been my sense of obligation that the findings not be missunderstood or misinterpreted in a way that would diminish the contributions of many dedicated planemakers--I've felt a great responsibility to prevent that.

Well, the recent thread has been liberating in its own way, as it has made clear to me that it really isn't going to make any difference how "perfect" the article is, some bunch of people are going to have their own reasons to mischaracterize, criticize and attack. Part of what has become apparent to me is that I don't need to feel that I will be solely responsible for dealing with that. You'd think I'd be old enough to have gotten past such things years ago, but the more one cares and feels a sense of responsibility, the easier it is to loose perspective.

I have one article I have to finish for a magazine, then I'm going right to work to finish it up. Unless health interferes, it will be out before the end of the summer-really, for sure, no kiddin!

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Greg Sloop, Portland Oregon

>it will be out before the end of the summer-really, for sure, no kiddin!

Is that Lyn/Rob/Sloop time or real time...just so we know. *big grin*

I do hope we'll see those "studies" soon, but however long it takes, it takes.

Thanks for your input, your encouragement your knowledge and your words of wisdom.

I appreciate it.

Best wishes,

Greg

Hey! I resemble...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>That remark, 'cause I AM westcoat. ;^)

It is as we would say "That's epic dude"!

Yay Lyn !!

Doug Littlejohn

>I for another one, appreciate all of the reviews I read. I am not an idiot and have the capabiltiy to think for myself and thus find practically any information to be of use. Especially well thought out findings.

I therefore am pleased that you will again start sharing your knowledge and findings, shelfish as though that desire is.

Thanks!!

Sherwood