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planeing board, scraper problem

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planeing board, scraper problem

chichi

>I have two questions.

1) Some time ago, I saw a picture of a very simple device to use for planeing a board if a full size work bench is not available. I believe it was just a 2x6 or 2x8 which was nailed to a cleat spiked into a wall. The other end was a leg made of same material as top which supported the planeing board.It was probably 6 to8 feet long. The work piece was clamped to the plane board and that is all there was to it. I am sure I dont have the description exactly right, but I would like to know if anyone has used this and could describe better so I can make one to use when bench is occupied.

2) I made a scraper out of old saw blade and have not had much success. Should the blade be beveled thin like a knife or left full thickness which is about 60 thou. I do have another found piece of steel a little thicker and I can sometimes get a good burr. I follow the instructions given in the tutorial and on a couple of videos and books.. I draw file and then go over the edge with back of chisel. I then burnish both sides of the edge with the chisel(back of chisel)angling slightly from 90 deg.. What do I look for or listen for? I just cant get a burr worth diddle on the saw steel. What is the mistake to most avoid?

Thanks,

bob

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#2

Re: Japanese planing beam? *LINK*

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Are you talking about this? If so, this isn't used only in the absence of a larger bench, it's preferred by those who use it.

Pam


http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0941936465/ref=sib

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Re: scraper problem

Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>"I made a scraper out of old saw blade and have not had much success"

Chichi, you will need to be more specific about the difficulties you are having. I assume that you are not producing shavings with the scraper. Since I have had good success with saw blade scrapers to date, I doubt that it is the saw blade (you did say "old", by which I presume it is not an ex-Japanese blade that is super hard and would be difficult to create a burr on).

The principle factor in creating a good scraper is a straight, flat and smooth edge. When the edges of the steel are perfectly square, they should be sharp enough to scrape, even without a burr. For example, use a wide chisel as a scraper and you will have no difficulty creating shavings. So check to see if you have this configuration to begin with. No point going on without it (it is like trying to sharpen a blade without first completing the primary bevel all the way to the edge of the blade).

For the thickness of a saw blade scraper you will not need to grind a 45 degree bevel. Just turn the burr (as you have already stated you are confident in doing).

Regards from Perth

Derek

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Re: Japanese planing beam?

chichi

>Pam,

The link gets me to Amazon. Where do I go from there? If this is the sloped bench for planeing on the pull, I have also seen on used on TV years ago. There is something similar, but not slanted for planeing Western style.

Thanks,

Bob

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Re: Japanese planing beam?

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Oops, I was hoping it would take you straight to the page in Odate's book, even tested it before replying but the cache must have fooled me. Anyhow, go to Toshio Odate's Japanese Tools book, search inside for "planing beam" (without the quotes), then choose the reference on page 6 for photos.

Pam

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Re: scraper problem

chichi

>Derek,

I checked the scraper edge with a straightedge and the edge was a little crowned so that is probably a part of the problem. I draw filed the edge again and went straight to a board without burnishing the burr and the tool was way better. I assume I must also be erring in the way I try to pull and burnish the burr. Can you explain what I should do or not do. I am not sure I understand this step. I thought it was to move the burr which is after filing may be layed over to a position 90 deg to the scraper side?

Thanks,

Bob

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