I didn't see it coming

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Skip in Falls Church

>I didn't know if it would help to see the angle of the hole. This should give an idea of it.

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Adam Cherubini, NJ

>I guess I'm having trouble seeing the knot hole you're talking about. But that's a very interesting way of integrating chisel storage into your design. Can you use the saw with the chisel "on-board" or do you have to remove it first?

I must admit I never thought about mounting tools to my saw handles, but why a chisel as opposed to a chalkline or striking knife? I've heard about saws with levels on them, so I guess that was your inspiration.

Anyway. Really cool idea. Only suggestion, maybe you could make the chisel sort of vertical and in front of the grip next time. You might be able to fit a few different sizes that way.

Adam

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Ernie Miller Topeka

>if you are going to drill and plug you will probably have to do it now. You might want to start over with differant wood? Dark plug so it realy stands out?

Mounting tools

mike recchione

>But I don't understand...Why would you want to mount tools in the battery compartment of that cordless saw?

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Roger Myers

>I really understand the concept of the integrated chisel...I imagine it works like the nicker on many of my planes - I just wish I had though of it first.

On the other hand, I am trying to understand the functionality of the mouse...I'm assuming there is a USB port on the other side of the handle...is the mouse used to integrate the CAD-CAM... Adam, I expect you may be more aware of this than some of us, which is why you didn't ask the question.

A common mistake

Bob Hackett

>What we have here is obviously an attempt at replicating an original combination saw.

Back in the "good old days",as woodworking was transitioning from things like splitting and riving these newfangled things called saws were invented and in order for the craftsmen of the day to accept these new innovations concessions had to be made.Many were skeptical of any tool that needed to have the hand inserted in order to operate it so the early saws included a axe type extension to the D shaped handle(think transitional plane here).

This handle was later shortened to almost non-existance and became the handle we see on "gent`s" saws and keyhole saws.

Without the blade in place(which would plainly show that this saw would be half saw and half axe)it`s a common mistake to think it a chisel stuck where it doesn`t belong.The reason the handle is offset is because this is obviously a hewing combination saw and would include a rip style tooth arrangement on the opposite side.

Proper research would help to keep these mistakes from blossoming into unban myths.If you are looking for the proper documentation,just research in the same areas that inform as to the real function of the saw nib.The nib was plainly a holdover from the days when combination saws included a tang type helper handle that allowed them to be driven into any handy stump once the wood handle was removed in order to safely sharpen the blade.These tangs are also rumored to be the inspiration for pulp hooks.

Glad I could be of service and help bring my fellow WWers up to speed on this important matter.I must admit that I`m surprised Adam missed it but the blade was not installed yet so it was an honest mistake.

Mainely,Bob-Saddened that so many things are lost to time.

Addy protocol-Over half a century of experience as a card carrying smartass.

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Skip in Falls Church

>Hah! Fooled all of you. That's actually one of those ubiquitous home-made tapered reamers stuck in the proto handle. If I can't fix the knot hole I'm going to use the reamer to make starter holes for the back saw this will go on. Imagine how handy it would be to be able to start a back saw in the middle of a piece of lumber.

I was pleased that someone noticed the port allowing me to use CAD/CAM to precisely locate where to make the starter hole.

Now all I need to do is sharpen the spine of the back saw and I put Bob's idea into action. :)

Skip (never one to let logic triumph over intuition)

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Skip in Falls Church

>Hi Ernie

Hmmm, well, I guess I'll have to drill and plug now. That's what I was afraid of. I really don't want to use another piece of wood. Jim Crammond gave me a nice piece of apple to make saw handles out of and I feel the saw this is going on deserves apple. It's an old Harvey Peace back saw and it just seems appropriate for it to have an apple handle.

If the drill and plug doesn't work, I do have a little more of the apple left - but it's about 20" long by 3" wide and I'd have to cut it into pieces and glue it up to be wide enough for a handle. Well, I'll probably let it sit and simmer a bit while I work on the other two handles I have roughed out.

Skip

nice mouse pad... so how is the Harry Potter fan?

Victor Parisian

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oops.. try who?

Victor Parisian

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Skip in Falls Church

>Hi Victor,

They're both fine - the wife and stepdaughter that is. :)

Skip

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William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>Somebody really needs to cancel this guy's Starbuck's card. This suggested course of action probably wouldn't hurt a couple of the others who have offered their condolences, as well :^)

Seriously, Skip, there is another viable alternative to drilling and plugging, that will work at this early stage, and might even result in a handle of superior strength. [Note that I really like the aesthetics of the handle whose photo you posted lately, regardless of how you put it together.] I would fill the knothole with epoxy mixed with sawdust of the same species, or perhaps something a bit darker. First, use a dental pick or equivalent, to remove any bark inclusions, bugs, or whatever. If the void continues deeply enough to exit from one side or the other, just stop the epoxy from running out by taping the sides with clear plastic strapping tape, the kind you use for packing when you are moving or shipping stuff UPS or USPS.

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Skip in Falls Church

>Hi Bill,

Hmmmmm, now that's something to think about. I've done that with carpenter's glue and saw dust - but never thought of using it with epoxy. And it's not like I don't have any apple saw dust - having rasped quite a bit off 3 proto handles. I don't think a lot of it will show - mostly at the back and partly on one side. It sort of offends my sense of aesthetics - but tearing up the handle trying to drill and plug would do worse. :)

Thanks for the compliment too - I've found that making saw handles isn't hard and is kind of enjoyable. Well, except when I end up with a problem like this.

Skip