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Re: Mr. Lee let the cat out of the bag, finally :) *LINK*

#26

Re: Holy Swiss sharpening jig

Lyn J. Mangiameli

>Gee Ernie,

Lets me take this point by point.

"... but is it really right for you to abuse Rob by inlisting every one to try and make changes befor he is into production?"

How is it "abuse" to inform others of a design or configuration limitation and encourage them to express their own comments on their own needs and preferences. It brings the matter up for discussion, which can confirm the importance of my concerns, or completly reject them. I don't see how this is bad or abusive. As for the timing, what better time to have woodworkers be able to express their desires and needs than before production and before the initial purchases are made. For myself, I'd much rather refine a report or article or product before it sees the light of day than afterwards.

"you get somthing better and emediantly use politics to extract more?"

I don't think I'd apply the word politics, but sure I want more, for the very reasons I've explicated. If others agree, then that is useful information to a designer and manufacturer. Everyday folks "vote" on such matters with their purchasing decisions of completed products. I think it better to bring the feedback in earlier than later, before purchases are made.

"If we want it and it can be made reasonable he will do so in his one time frame."

Reasonable is an individual and social construct as well as an economic one (is is reasonable to spend $300 on a hand plane, $3000?). You ascribe to Rob an omniscience I don't share. All manufacturers benefit from thoughtful feedback from multiple sources, and again, the earlier in the design cycle the better. This was the earliest I felt I could legally and ethically raise these issues for others to comment on.

"then he will ship the additional parts out to us for a reasonable charge."

Most of us feel that Rob and his Dad have an outstanding track record in responding, if not anticipating, our needs. No one has a greater appreciation for that than I do, and I doubt many have a greater understanding of how that is accomplished than I do. I also understand that designers and developers can become somewhat overly attached to their own vision and that sometimes it takes a significant input to broaden their perspective. If you all say what I propose is meaningful to you too, and will affect your purchase decision, then that makes it clear my complaints are not unique. If on the other hand, you all say it is no big deal, then it discredits my input and that is good information for the manufacturer too. But to just assume the right thing will be done, is IMO, rather naive.

"You are totaly abusing you privaliges"

And what priviledges are those, might I ask? To inform group members of product characteristics? To inform others of limitations I find in a product? To inform others of my experiences with a tool? To suggest to others they express their opinion about their desires and needs and expectations about a tool?

Ernie, I think the world of Rob. I considered him one of a handful of my personal friends, even though I have never met him in person (and probably never will). But irrespective of any friendship, though often made easier when it exists, I never pull any punches, or sugar coat any considered assessments be they with regards to my hobbies or my profession. And I am the content with the same from my peers.

Re: Mr. Lee let the cat out of the bag, finally :) *LINK*

#27

Re: Holy Swiss sharpening jig

Lyn J. Mangiameli

>He doesn't take advantage of me, nor do I believe I take advantage of him. We are both pleased to be engaged (in our own ways) in improving the tools that woodworkers have available for their use.

Someone might say this has all be a cynical ploy by me to generate indignation and outrage from loyal folks such as yourself in order to bolster early sales. Glad to see you are putting in your order. :-)

Re: Mr. Lee let the cat out of the bag, finally :) *LINK*

#28

Re: Holy Swiss sharpening jig

Ernie Miller Topeka

>No I said I would put it in my wish list and e-mail that to my wife. get the picture. By the way I'm am one of them guys that likes to stany up in small boats and shift my weight. and I'm a big boy. I rocked yours I rocked his I'm going to go on down the page and Rock Todd's also I't one of them days. last one wet wins!

Re: Mr. Lee let the cat out of the bag, finally :) *LINK*

#29

Re: Holy Swiss sharpening jig

Ernie Miller Topeka

>I did not mean to offend you or Rob in any way I am sorry If I did.

Re: Mr. Lee let the cat out of the bag, finally :) *LINK*

#30

Re: Expanding function

Christopher Fitch @ Memphis

>I have to agree on the importance of the ability to handle skinny blades, skinny chisels, or chisels with irregular profiles. I have a considerable issue with setting up skinny chisels and blades on the Honing Guide, ver. 1.

If there is an option for dealing with this, I'd certainly like to see it. I found the method for dealing with alignment on the Veritas Grinding Jig to be an excellent solution.

Considering that most of the chisel sizes I use are small and and bevel-edged, being able to setup that style with minimum effort and accurate results is important to me.

just my thoughts...

:)

Re: Mr. Lee let the cat out of the bag, finally :) *LINK*

#31

Re: Holy Swiss sharpening jig

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>I'd think a bit too late for avoiding MacGyvering. :) That is some gizmo.

On the skew blade setting, why not take the approach that all blades are skew, even if the skew is zero in most cases?

Pam

Re: Mr. Lee let the cat out of the bag, finally :) *LINK*

#32

Re: Holy Swiss sharpening jig

Dean Lapinel

>"But irrespective of any friendship, though often made easier when it exists, I never pull any punches, or sugar coat any considered assessments be they with regards to my hobbies or my profession. And I am the content with the same from my peers."

Lyn, this is one of the reasons I have such respect for you. You're a good man with a strong sense of integrity.

Re: Mr. Lee let the cat out of the bag, finally :) *LINK*

#33

Re: Expanding function

paul womack

>The guide itself has almost achieved vapor wear status

I guess that would depend on how early you were told of its potential existence :-)

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