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Brass + steel = OUCH!

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Brass + steel = OUCH!

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Brass + steel = OUCH!

Scott in Douglassville, PA

>Ok, this ever happen to anyone else? I was flattening some boards this weekend in preparation for some drawer building. Have them clamped into some nice brass Lee Valley bench dogs. Apparently, one of the dogs was a little too high, just touched it with the #5, and - whap-o! - nice divot in the iron.

Now, I know that metal against metal is bad, but I guess I had it in my head that the iron would win that bout. Anyone else ever do this, or is it just me?

Scott, breaking out the grinder...


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Yowza!

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>Humm... ya got me thinking now. I was going to be using those on my bench. Thats a big chunk!

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Jack Guzman from Maine

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Jack Guzman from Maine

>Scott,That's the reason I keep hestating on getting those from Woodcraft. I've been experimenting with oak dowel. Which brings me to a question.

They always have those plastic benchdogs in their Sjoberg bench displays but they don't sell them separate.You gotta buy a bench to get them.I'd like to try them out if I could manage to find some for sale. Anyone know where I can find them?---Jack

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Scott in Douglassville, PA

>Dunno 'bout the plastic ones (sound neat, though), but I've started using 3/4" maple dowels when I can't find the 'real' dogs on my bench. I'm planing another bench, and might go with the dowels instead of the brass dogs after this. Hmm...

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#5

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>I got a bunch of plastic ones with the Workmate, so perhaps replacement parts if there is such a thing. Probably a good item for Harbor Freight to carry.

I use wood dowels and jigs in my bench for just this reason, too. Well, being cheaper helps.

Pam

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William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>If you're going to plane soft metal, you need a much higher effective angle and higher included angle, and you have to go a lot slower, and use some cutting oil Any gearhead will tell you that :^)

If you think the brass did a bit of damage, just wait 'til you clip the top of a WonderDog. It's steel. DAMHIKT.

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Plastic dogs.....

Bryan in Broad Ripple, IN

>Rockler carries plastic bench dogs that are esentially the same ones as the Workmate's. I think that thye are $5 for 4.

-Bryan

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R.J.Whelan

>Scott ... I was once touching up a molding at the top of a bookcase. The molding was installed from the back with screws running through backing blocks so nothing would show. Must have gotten the end of the screw a little closer to the surface than I though - I made not one, but three, passes over the tip of a stainless screw with a much loved block plane. It not only damaged the iron but left three pretty deep gouges in the sole - I may be the only woodworker in America with a corrugated block plane.

I feel your pain ... rj

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Skip in Falls Church

>Hi Jack,

I was looking for a couple of them myself, seems like 2 of mine took a hike. I got a response at the following email a couple of years ago: gj-von@ukonline.co.uk and the guy's name is Geoff Brown. He was very nice and offered to send me a couple but told me that I could get them from Woodcraft only it was like pulling teeth. Unfortunately I chosed the pulling teeth route and have never gotten them. Guess I need to get my butt in gear and try it again.

Skip

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Greg Betit, Crown Point NY

>Yes, it has happened to me. Only the dog was forged steel. Ugly. Its what they make replacement irons for.

Greg

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Dale Stansbery

>I use the workmates also. I bought them individually years ago at the B&D repair shop. They won't fit 3/4" holes easily though, I had to file the diameter down a little. The nice thing also is that you can shorten them easily from the top for thin stock.

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David Barnett

I started with LV brass dogs...

David Barnett

>then switched to homemade dogs turned from Texas Ironwood. These have the same flats as the LV brass dogs but use little drop-in springloaded bullet catches to keep them in the dog holes. Lately, I've used black 3/4" Delrin dowels since I had some lying about. Works fine. Also, a couple of these are leather faced, which seems to work nicely.

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Re: Craftsman Made Wooden Dogs for Round Dog Holes

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>Custom Wooden dogs, that work like the WorkMutt dogs, but more smoothly, are really easy to make. Start with a 3/4" round dowel stock. Cut off some sections about 2-1/2" long. Find some scraps of hard wood, about 2" square. Drill a 3/4" dia. hole somewhere near the center of each of them. Saw a kerf in the end of each dowel, about the depth of the block of wood. Split some wedges with a wide chisel. Glue and wedge a block onto the end of each dowel. When the glue is dry, plane the top of the wedge and the end of the dowel flush with the top of the block.

You should make several, with different thickness square blocks, to match (or at least not exceed) the thickness of the stock you are holding between them. Also, I have found it helps to put the hole for the dowel off center, so you can rotate the dog for fine adjustments in stock width or length. Don't worry a lot about getting the faces of the dogs square because you will probably want to modify some of them eventually to fit curved stock. If you get the blocks a little too thick, don't worry about it. They are self correcting.

These work on the top of the bench, in the front and end faces of the shoulder and tail vise, on the front face of the bench, on the board jack, in the WorkMutt, and in custom holes drilled in the faces of large hand screws.

I store my extras when I'm not using them in the bottom holes of my board jack.

If, OTOH, you want to live dangerously, you can buy 3/4"-10 NC by 3" long hex head machine bolts for cheap from places like Fazzios, MSC, McMaster-Carr, Bolt Depot, ACE Hardware, etc. that make fine "junk-yard" dogs.

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Joe Rogers, Northern Virginia

>Hey RJ didn't you also corrugate the sole of your L-N #1 too? (sorry to remind you of sad memories:-( )JR

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Victor Parisian

>Didn't detect much empathy there William.

Victor (still rotflmao)

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#16

I've been asking LV for about 5 years

Lyn J. Mangiameli

>to drill and tap the ends of their bench dogs/pups so that both round and square UHMW caps could be attached to the ends. I remind Rob about it every couple of years and he generally repeats something favorable, but the changes never occur. It would be nice if LV provided a top cap of suitable profile and attachment bolts for one to make up caps of their own profile. It would be such a simple design modification and would greatly increase the utility of their current product. Of course one could drill and tap and seek out a bolt on their own, but for the price these things go for, I think it should be included with each purchase.

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Yes, mine were also a bit too big for my bench's dog holes, but so are 3/4" dowels. So I figured it was only my bench. Interesting.

Pam

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John Meikrantz

>Rockler sells a pack of plastic bench dogs. Much like the Workmate dogs, but a little lower profile. They work well in my bench. I also found the Workmate dogs were a little "oversized".

John


Rockler Bench Dogs

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William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>With the presence of mind I sometimes show, it wouldn't be very long before I had planed the top off of the UHMW and discovered the bolt head lurking within.

Bullet catches are a good idea. I use them on the purpleheart dogs with which I replaced the original rectangular metal dogs in my patternmaker's vise.

BTW, wan't Bullet Roy Roger's dog? My dog catches fleas and forty winks. I wish he'd catch squirrels and rabbets, instead.

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Philosophical-fictional question

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>So, if Trigger was his horse, and Bullet was his dog, what would he have named his cat? Hammer? Barrel? Holster? Somehow none of those seem right.

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William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>Target?

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#22

BTDT - Wanna See the T-Shirt?

Bob Hutchins in Central Texas

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Roy wouldn't have had a cat, definitely a dog-guy image. Now one or two of their 1500 children might...

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Thanks, John.

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

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#25

Re: aluminium + steel = works!

Christof Hartge

>Hello Scott,

exactly this happened to me with my new Ulmia bench, No4. They first equipped the bench with steel dogs which did big harm to my irons. After a reclamation I got almunium dogs with a spring loaded bullet. After some unwillfull testing I found that aluminium is definitely better planable than steel. The iron get's dull but the edge will not break out.

Christof.

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