Pros and Cons of LV Med Shoulder and Bullnose

Re: Pros and Cons of LV Med Shoulder and Bullnose

Tim of Livermore

>shoulder plane will be better for tenon work than the bullnose. The longer nose on the medium shoulder will let you register the plane to the joint.

Re: Pros and Cons of LV Med Shoulder and Bullnose

Tony Sade (Charleston, WV)

>Darin-If you do a search on this and other ww forums on the LV MS plane, I'll bet you'll find literally hundreds of posts extolling the virtues of that plane, for the use you describe as well as others. I know nothing about the bullnose, and suspect it's of the typically high caliber of the LV/Veritas planes, but I don't remember seeing it having been mentioned anywhere near as many times. I have both the medium and large shoulder planes and think they're the bees knees! ;>) HTH, Tony

Re: Pros and Cons of LV Med Shoulder and Bullnose

Joe Rogers, Northern Virginia

>Just took delivery of my Medium Shoulder Plane. DBGA(drive by gloat alert).I would suggest the usefulness of the Medium exceeds the Bullnose. In the short run a careful application of a bench chisel will do the Bullnose job. You will not be disapointed in either tool. But if tenon adjustment is your focus the Medium is your first option.JR

Re: Pros and Cons of LV Med Shoulder and Bullnose

John Weber - GO BUCKS!

>I agree, I have both, and use the shoulder plane more then the bull nose, although they are both very nice tools. I hope to add a large shoulder at some point.

John

Re: Pros and Cons of LV Med Shoulder and Bullnose

HC Sakman

>Hi Darin,

You'd get the shoulder...which will be used 1-to-100 ratio!

Chico...

Re: Pros and Cons of LV Med Shoulder and Bullnose

Brent Smith

>Darin,

While I agree with everyone about the shoulder plane being more useful for tenons,I have another suggestion.........buy them both!More tools.......more tools........more tools!

Brent

Re: Pros and Cons of LV Med Shoulder and Bullnose

Darin in Victoria

>Probably buy all three at some point. I'm also picking up an Adria Tenon saw and don't think that SWSBO would appreciate seeing too many boxes appearing. Although I think that she's used to the LV boxes coming in every month or two :).

Re: Pros and Cons of LV Med Shoulder and Bullnose

Darin in Victoria

>Hey Chico, any word on the LV store in Victoria. I sent a note to Rob a few months back and he didn't have any spot picked yet.

Re: Rabbeting Block Plane

Todd Stock

>Unless you are trimming the shoulders of the tenon, the wider rabbeting block plane does a better job on tenon cheeks. I have shoulder planes and a rabbeting block, and find the block is the more generally useful tool.

If I were shopping again, I'd do the 60-1/2R, then a medium or large shoulder, then perhaps the bullnose. Looking back on tools used this past year, I've used the jack rabbet (10-1/4) more often than a bullnose. The bullnose is a nice tool that sees very little use if either a shoulder plane or rabbeting block is available.

If your primary purpose really is trimming shoulders (versus tenon cheeks or cleaning up rabbets) then go for the large or medium shoulder first, followed by the rabbeting block.

Thanks Guys, Med Shoulder it is!

Darin in Victoria

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Re: Pros and Cons of LV Med Shoulder and Bullnose

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>It depends a lot on what planes you already have, and what your ultimate toolbox will contain, and how long you think it is going to take you to fill out its plane section.

Look at Todd's response, and then consider my situation. I don't hve a medium shoulder plane, but when I was considering whether to buy one, I already had a large shoulder plane (073), a skew rabbet plane (140), a coach maker's rabbet plane (10), and an abysmal bullnose plane (75). I decided a good bull nose plane, with the capability to immediately convert to a chisel plane, and back, gave me more additional capabilities than a medium shoulder plane, so I got the L-V bullnose. I'm satisfied I made the right decision, for my situation.

If you don't have any shoulder plane right now, but do have a rabbet plane and a good wide paring chisel, the capabilities and ease of use of a medium shoulder plane will be more important to you than a bullnose or a large shoulder plane. If you don't have a rabbet plane or any shoulder plane, a large shoulder plane will serve more of those functions than the very narrow medium shoulder plane.

All that makes logical sense, William,...

Ted Owen, Pittsburgh

>but there is an emotional component to the decision, too. For some people, the LV Medium Shoulder just feels right, and that feeling can influence one to to use it where other designs traditionally might have been preferred.

I, too, have the other planes you mention, but I find myself reaching for the LV Medium more and more--just because using it makes me happy.

Best, Ted

Re: All that makes logical sense, William,...

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>I'm not trying to say that what I did, or how I got there, was the right decision, or even the right choice for Darin. I just wanted to illustrate a couple of different ways to look at things. First, seemingly simple questions don't necessarily get simple answers, at least not always the right ones. Second, everyone's situation is different.

There is certainly a lot to be said about using tools that make you happy, and I think you are right, using the LV MSP will probably make you happy every time you use it. So far, every LV plane I have used gives me that feeling of confidence. I can say the same for all of my L-N tools. I get that feeling from a lot of the tools I've built for myself, but only from some of my Stanley planes. OTOH, I really dislike working with tools that I have to fight every step of the way to get the results I demand of myself and of my tools.

Choosing a tool that was designed to do the precise job you need to do is not as important as choosing a tool that does what it does very well, as long as you understand what it will do all by itself, and what additional things you can make it do, because you have the skills and understanding of the wood and the tool.

The MSP is an excellent tool. I wish I could afford every excellent tool that is out there. I sometimes wonder whether I could really afford all the excellent tools I have already bought. I also sometimes wonder whether I am being stingy, and denying myself tools I really need and deserve, just because I have something else that I can manage to force to get the job done.

Affordability

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>I wish I could afford every excellent tool that is out there. I sometimes wonder whether I could really afford all the excellent tools I have already bought. I also sometimes wonder whether I am being stingy, and denying myself tools I really need and deserve, just because I have something else that I can manage to force to get the job done.

There are some great tools out there for great prices; but the way I look at it is: every tool I can get by without means that much more time I can stay constructively unemployed. Now, how to make that assessment gets a bit more difficult when you have to factor in time to get a job done vs money earned vs money spent; but still, the first question I have to answer is "How much sooner will I have to get back to software development if I buy this tool?"

Pam

Re: Pros and Cons of LV Med Shoulder and Bullnose

Darin in Victoria

>Thanks for the response William. I don't have any shoulder or rabbett planes and I was looking for some advice on whether the bullnose would be a better first purchase than the medium shoulder. I thought about the larger shoulder plane, but the price is $40 (CAD) more. If I wasn't also buying a tenon saw, I'd probably consider the large one also. I read that the bullnose could perform double duty as both a tenon fitter and chisel plane. My immediate need is for fitting tenons cleaning out corners is a secondary need.

Re: Pros and Cons of LV Med Shoulder and Bullnose

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>I think you made the right decision. The medium shoulder plane will make it a lot easier to get your visible joints tight than the bullnose plane, and it's only about $10 more. For other tenon fitting tasks, and cleaning out corners, you should be able to make do with a wide paring chisel.

Re: Ouch!

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>It makes me grimace just to think of it. I wouldn't wish that eventuality on anybody. The time I spend in front of the computer to get my WoodCentral fix and to do a little furniture and tooling design is enough!