My try at the Galoot saw till�

Re: Some more...

Dave Anderson Chester, NH

>It's one of the design defects of the Galoot Saw Till project from the Old Tools List. I too built mine per the plan but cheated and drilled for a dowel which I glued into each and every pin.

Re: Completed till�or till fill...

Dave Anderson Chester, NH

>Nicely done Scott. It's always great to be the beneficiary of improvements and modifications based on early deficiencies of design and planning. If I did mine over again, I would probably go with your exact same proposed modifications. Posting about projects like these always helps out the whole forum.

Good idea...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>Hafta remember that for next time. Thanks!

Thanks Dave...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>You gave me the inspiration to do it. Comming from you it's a great complement. Thanks again and glad I could help out.

Galoot??

Gabe Doyle

>Very nice work, but "Galoot"?? I see a lot of tablesaw use in those pics.

I know, I know... If 18th century craftsman would have had tablesaws, they'd have used them as assembly tables too.

Just kidding though - very nice.

Re: Galoot?? *LINK*

Ted Shuck, Centennial, CO

>I think you got the grouping of the words differently from how they are intended.

This sawtill was made with the plans of the "Galoot Sawtill Project". It is not necessarily a Galoot "Sawtill Project". Scott has made significant improvements on the original, so I guess this is really the "Improved Galoot Sawtill Project".

Check it out on shavings.net,

Ted


Galoot Sawtill Project

Very funny ;^)...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>Well, we'll have too see what Adam says about that...

Thanks!

Re: Blasphemy!

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>When are the knuckledraggers of the world going to put a stop to this unadulterated hogwash?!?

That is not a dovetail joint! It is totally dysfunctional stupidity. Hoadley would kick your ass, as would St. Roy, and even the Nahminator, if you suggested that anyone should join a saw till like this. Why do Galoots (Gathered or Otherwise) allow that junque to continue to be published? At the very least, they should be coerced, by a Neanderthal class action lawsuit, to post a disclaimer, everywhere on the web that this IDLS disinformation has been promulgated. I'm surprised that this urban legend, (which is, IMHO, a significantly more insidious piece of disinformation than "pins first" or "the best router jig for dovetails") has not as yet been exposed on Scopes.com.

A while back, IIRC, Chico and I were discussing the right way to join the top of a sawtill. I proposed an alternative joinery, and drew the included rough sketches to illustrate the concept.

Note that this functions a lot like the classic Shaker stepstools, with dovetails joining end grain to end grain, and one long half-lapped dovetail joining end grain to long grain, so there is nothing really innovative here. I just applied proven concepts to a problem the Shakers didn't have to deal with. Sister Tabatha only needed a Shaker peg to hang up her saw blades.

Scott, if you feel (as I do), that you have been wronged, you should at least be able to sue for a few board feet of well seasoned cabinet grade hardwood, a pair of backsaws (one filed rip, one crosscut), whatever other tools you used that received unnecessary wear and tear, and and a hand-made wood-bodied spokeshave (punitive damages).

Comments and discussion, hopefully with further improvements, are welcome.

Re: No! Don't Go There...

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>...without reviewing my post, titled "Blasphemy", on this subject. Otherwise, you may also fall sidelong into an insidious taildove trap, from which even the infamous Leigh jig, a screaming forked-tailed PC, and Mr. Hylton (Mephistopheles Is Not My Name) himself, will not be able to save you.

If you were to consider trying this stunt with power tools, I would beg you to consult first with the Turning forum, for advise on full face shields to protect yourself from the shrapnel.

Re: Blasphemy!

Ken

>Aren't your tails on the wrong board? I would think that the tails would be on the side boards to resist the load of the 500 saws you all seem to have. :-)

Since I've taken the plunge, I might as well take a moment to introduce myself. I've been lurking here for quite some time, enjoying the conversation and soaking up as much information as I can. I'm a complete novice, just taking an intro hand tools class at North Bennet Street. I'm decidedly into the hand tool side of things (and hope to put together my set of 500 saws together over time :-).

Ken

Only 500?

Bob Hackett

>Or are you just counting the ones in the till?

MB

I�m so ashamed...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>Guess I�ll have to out to the back 40 tonight with a bottle of Guinness and a can of gas and make it a sacrifice to woodworking gods. Guess I�ll have to do the hammer till to and start all over. Oh do I feel bad�

Nice joint design BTW may have to try it on the up coming plane till.

Humm� maybe time to dig up my lawyer�

Hi Ken... *LINK*

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>Out of the closet so to speak eh?

I followed the original for the joinery from hell�

Welcome!


Original Till Project

Re: Blasphemy!

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>Yes, it would be better if the pins were in the cross member and the tails were in the sides. The half tail in the back cross member should be enough to keep the sides from separating. It depends on how you plan to hang the till. I don't think I would hang it by the top cross member if I had any other choice, because of strength problems, no matter how you built it. Another option would be to tenon the end of the top cross member and mortise the side members.

Re: Blasphemy!

Mike L in Trabuco Canyon, CA

>Attn: Children and those faint at heart, please leave the room for a few moments.

When I decided to try my first (and thus far only) dovetail joint, I thought I'd make a simple box out of some scraps I had laying around. Hmmm, here's a 12" piece of 3/4" pine and here's a slab of 3/4" mdf. The mdf would be the bottom that I planned to join to the sides with dovetails. Dovetails in all directions; brilliant, huh? Well I proceeded to cut some pins in the mdf and then cut some tails in the pine *with* the grain. I was pretty pleased by how nice the pins and tails looked but when I tried to put them together, one of the tails snapped off. I glued it back on and after some paring here and there, the joint went together and was reasonably sturdy but you can bet the farm that I won't be designing a joint like that again.

Regards,

Mike

Re: I�m so ashamed...

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>I was just kidding about pins first, or suing anybody. I would be concerned about hanging it from the top cross member, especially if I lived as close to the San Andreas Fault as you do. I figure you couldn't be much more than ten miles from the Loma Prieta epicenter.

You did a nice job on the till.

That's why

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>I know you were yanking my chain Bill. They sit on top of my cabinets; they will probably never be hung, even though there are French cleats on the back. Bad shaky, no aftershocks...

Thanks for the complement.

Guess I'll have to re-bury my lawyer...