Veritas vs Lie-Nielsen

LV LA Jack Plane Review *LINK*

Jeff Schmidt (KY)

>Listed in the link below is a very thorough review of the LV low angle jack plane.

In additon, ALF did an even more extensive comparative review between the LV and LN low angle smoothers, which are similar to the low angle jack planes of the respective manufacturers.


LV LA Jack Plane Review

Re: Veritas vs Lie-Nielsen

Jim in Burlington Ontario

>Dave the LV plane is a great plane spend the money and get the high angle blade as well and you'll have a very verstile plane.

Re: Veritas vs Lie-Nielsen

Rob Lee

>Hi Dave -

I replied to you on Woodnet - but the short answer is yes, they are different planes.

While we pay lip service to the Stanley numbering system - few of of our plane configurations are what Stanley used...

Take a "#4" for example:

Stanley 9.50" long - LV 9.50" long

Stanley Toe length 2.69" - LV 3.28"

Stanley Weight 3lb 10 oz - LV 4lb 6 oz

And that's before you get to the major design and fuctional differences....

Same goes for pretty much the whole line... our planes are designed to cut "longer" than their measured length would imply...

Our #6 - cuts closer to a Stanley #7, than a Stanley #6.

Our LA Jointer (when it arrives) will cut just about as long as a Stanley #8...

What our line is - is another choice, not necessarily a direct comparator...

Cheers -

Rob

Re: Veritas vs Lie-Nielsen

Glenn Madsen

>This isn't going to help - much.

For every task, every wood, every woodworker, every joint, every hold down method, some, or one, tool is going to feel more appropriate in your hand.

Since only a few of us who hang around here have one (or more), of each, it's hard to use exactly the tool we would want in every situation.

Woodworkers' clubs are great for getting together and trying different tools, for different uses. I find that I end up with fewer 'wish I hadn't bought that' tools, when I can try before I buy.

The LN 9 1/2 Adjustable mouth block plane is my favorite block plane, followed by what LV calls the Apron plane, a 102 sized gem, and the LV Low Angle block.

The LV Low Angle Smoother, with both blades, is a really good plane, and well worth the cost. The LA Jack is just as well made, but I already have 5 or 6 larger planes to do almost everything I want in that range.

BTW, the notion that hand tools are less expensive to purchase and use went away in my shop some time ago. That said, I have NO power tools from my grandfather's time, and I have no doubt that my hand tools will still be useable when my great grandchildren are ready for them.

Lateral Adjustment

Jeff Schmidt (KY)

>It would seem to me that all other things being somewhat equal, that the lateral blade adjustment feature and the lower price of the LV would give it the nod.

I also think that LV improved the aesthetics of the lever cap on the low angle planes.

Re: Veritas vs Lie-Nielsen

Greg Sloop, Portland Oregon

>I've done several detailed comparisons.

The short answer is: I much prefer the LV.

The longer answer with reasoning is here:

http://www.woodcentral.com/cgi-bin/handtools.pl?noframes;read=57253

There's also a reference to yet another thread in that message....

Cheers,

Greg

I prefer the Lie Nielsen's

Steve Wilson

>I've tried out the Lee Valley planes when they've been through my area and I just don't like the look or feel of them compared to Lie Nielsen's. Not that they aren't a very good plane, just not my cup of tea. Most of the Lie Nielsen's I own are not the standard Stanley Bench planes (2-7) for those I have Clifton's or older Stanley's. I really like the feel of the Lie Nielsen's and the heft when made in bronze. Of course, they tune up nicely and cut like a dream but that's to be expected for there price.

Re: Veritas vs Lie-Nielsen

Christopher Fitch @ Memphis

>hehe..

I started that particular thread...

and I finally got mine in..

lovely plane...nice heft and the adjuster is very nice.

Re: I prefer the Lie Nielsen's

kees

>I like both. Start with a low-angle jack as advised on the website of LN ;-)

kees

Re: Veritas vs Lie-Nielsen

Greg Sloop, Portland OR

>*Chuckle*

Oh well. Life goes on.

Glad you like yours. I simply love mine. I thought the LN was great, but this one is simply a dream. I can hardly wait for the smoother and jointer!

Cheers,

Greg

Re: Veritas vs Lie-Nielsen

Christopher Fitch @ Memphis

>Unlike you I kept my LN Low Angle Jack...

I find it to be a different plane than the Veritas...similar to what Lyn described. So I have no issues in keeping it...

I can't wait for the Jointer or the "164H"

I have the LN 164 and I like that plane but as covered before the adjustment and the whole blade changing method for that plane leaves alot to be desired compared to the Veritas plane.

It is a pretty plane and great to use until you have to remove the blade or adjust the blade or adjust the mouth.

Oh yeah...I can't wait for the scrub either...

:)

Re: Veritas vs Lie-Nielsen

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

>Hi Dave,

The major differences are:

-LN cyrogenically treats their blades.

- Blades on the LN 4 1/2 is 0.140" thick while the Veritas is 0.125" thick.

-LN 4 1/2 is also a half pound heavier then the Veritas version.

-LN has a more classic tote design which I find to be more comfortable in my hand.

-Sole flatness.... I won't go there cause I'll simply get "jumped" but you can ping me offline for more details.

-SOme like the Veritas LV adjuster and others hate them. Yours to decide.

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

Re: Veritas vs Lie-Nielsen

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

>I was comparing the Bench planes and not the LA variety. I do own the LN 62 and am hapy with it but prefer my LN 5 1/2 york pitch as a moother and jointer on smallish boards.

Dan Clermont

Re: Veritas vs Lie-Nielsen

Rob Lee

>Dan -

I don't think you'll get "jumped"... but certainly you'll be corrected if the information you post is not accurate, and in a few previous posts, it has not been.

Any preferences one may have with respect to one brand or another are completely valid.

Cheers -

Rob

Its a very personal preference ...

John Snyder, Pocono's PA

>... they both will do the same job well. I much prefer the traditional lines & tote design of the L-N. Many others prefer the modern less aesthetically pleasing features (IMHO) of the Lee Valley design. I will say that the mini block plane Lee Valley makes is awesome - my all time favorite block plane. TO me, its worth the little extra $$ for the L-V bench planes...

JS