York Pitch on 4 1/2

Re: Lie-Nielsen Blade Adjustment Plate

Greg Sloop, Portland Oregon

>Ah, thanks! I didn't know exactly how inexpensive they might be, or not.

I think I'd still be annoyed to have to remove them every time I went to sharpen, but then I'm nit picking in an excessive way I suppose. I guess this is part of why I'm so enthusiastic about the LV stuff that is here and coming�.same blade, same very nice adjuster system on them all etc. Not that the LN stuff is junk, not at all, just that I very much like the LV.

Cheers,

Greg

Re: Thank You

paul womack

>BTW, I'm already the happy owner of a LN low angle Jack. Maybe I'll go with a steeper bevel.

In that case, your no-brainer first action is to buy a second blade for high (effective) angle use. 35 bucks.

Putting a high angle ON a blade is quick, easy work, but grinding one off (to revert to lower angle use) involves moving a lot of metal.

BugBear

Re: Yep, you got it right

Greg Sloop, Portland Oregon

>Oops, my bad. You're right. Guess I need better reading comprehention!

Cheers,

Greg

Re: Yep, you got it wrong...

Lyn J. Mangiameli

>so much for rapid fire late night posting, something I should know better than to do.

Thanks (sincerely) for correcting my error. And yes, it does make them even more versatile. You'd also think I'd have the angles engrained in my head by know. Alas, perhaps early dementia?

I vote for LN 4-1/2 w/ YP frog.

HC Sakman

>On the other hand, I am sure some of you know that I've been saying that LV LA Jack is better than LN LA Jack. I still think so, though with a hair difference. Same situation goes for the LN vs LV 4-1/2. I think LN's version tips the scale in its favor ever so slightly.

Of course, I can't deny the validity of LV LA smoother with multiple blades suggestion.

For some unknown reason, some wood planes better with bevel down 50* than same effective cutiing angle on a bevel up plane. ALSO VICE-VERSA!!! Go figure...I don't know why.

What I know though, that's why I have them ALL! ;-)

Got to have the FULL arsenal to attack these ferocious fibers!!! ;-)

Chico...

Loss of Cognitive Abilities?

Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

>I think that you may need a clinical neuropsychological assessment. It could be .... CRS!

;-)

geeez guys

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>hard to believe anybody can express themselves without getting jumped on....I'm trying to be as sensitive, but I just can't quite get thetre. We all have our opinions, can we all have our opinions????????????

Re: geeez guys

Lyn J. Mangiameli

>Well Jonathan, if you look at the last fifty or so contentious threads, I suspect you will find me absent from virtually all of them, or taking a moderate stance calling for respect and reason and evidence. I don't see me as doing anything less here. My complaint is that I don't find the objectional phrasing to neither show respect nor put forward a reasoned argument. Rather it undermines both.

Yes, it does seem to be that everyone can have an opinion, and all too often does, but opinions without analysis or evidence do little to advance understanding, and of course, as the objective evidence builds, there is less and less opinion and more and more reporting. Most of my efforts have been to elevate the discourse above anecdote and opinion. Frankly, I don't see why you even bring up the issue of opinion as my post never offered any complaint with respect to an opinion. My complaint is with using a dismissive pejorative phrase which is empty of fact or reasoned analysis, not with whether one wishes to state he or she personally prefers to use one plane over another (and hopefully, why).

He is from NYC.

Bob Hackett

>Don`t they all wear sandpaper suits there?;^)

MB

No way, Lynn!

Roger Nixon

>It couldn't be early could it?

Roger,

Grinnin', duckin', and runnin'

:-)

Lyn J. Mangiameli

>

Re: geeez guys

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>Hi Lynn,

Well put, and I think that you'll find that I have also chosen to no longer participate in contensious threads. I can't say that I agree with recent opinions espousing moral high ground, or questioning others morals, but I tolerate them. Perhaps if someone like yourself points these things out, others will listen, but it just doesn't seem fair to single out one person and smack him/her on the wrist in a public forum. I think the best option is to not respond and let the listmoms do their thankless job. If we all start pointing out what we believe to be others shortcomings and mistakes, then we will have many more contensious threads. Just my opinion

Regards

Jonathan

Re: geeez.

Lyn J. Mangiameli

>Jonathan,

I don't think this is a place for discussions of morality or politics, and perhaps on this we agree. I also don't think this is a place for obfuscation and disparagement (subtle or not) of that which can be rationally and objectively and respectfully discussed.

I guess I'm also a little old fashioned in expecting one should accurately characterize the statements of others, if they choose to respond to them.

I don't see these as moral things, rather I see these very pragmatically as necessary for an open discussion in which we can learn from others and advance our knowledge of both the tools and techniques that can enrich our woodworking. I imagine each has his or her own sense of what is necessary and what makes WC meaningful for them. For me, those I wish to most interact with are engaged in asking and replying to sincere questions, sharing in the honest reporting of our experiences, and gaining objective knowledge of both the tools and techniques of working with that natural and beautiful material called wood.

As I don't see how those desires will be manifested through my continued participation in this thread, I shall leave it now. If any of you want me to be aware of additional thoughts, you'll need to send me an email.

A long retort...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>I�ve been at the CES show in Las Vegas and got home with the flu. I just got down to your post today. I feel the need to retort�

Lyn if you don�t like the word �gang� fine by me. I didn�t mean to offend you or anyone else. Next time I�ll use �camp�, �pack� or �group� better?

I feel you don�t need to use obscure adjectives and double point Scrabble words to make your point. I don�t have a PHD so I�ll comment on what I gleaned (understood) from your post.

All I meant to say was the �group� of people that prefer bevel up planes will probably feel different.

If you feel the need to �lump� yourself into that group fine, it�s your prerogative. You placed yourself there, not me. That�s some thing you�ll have to deal with.

I�m not saying one design is better than the other. I haven�t experimented with them yet. I probably never will. I�m happy with my planes and the way each is set up. I�ve all ready commented on why I don�t like the SAP approach, but I�ll say it again�.

For the record I don�t like taking the time to swap out and set up the plane every time I come to a different planning need.

I�ll leave the experimentation up to the more qualified (i.e. yourself) hell, who knows after your next round of tests is complete and I�ve seen the results I might have 2 or 3 LA planes with different blade set in them and sell off my other ones. Naaaaa� I love planes as much as you and that will never happen (selling them off that is).

I have great respect and admiration for what you have done and shared with us. I look foreword to your next findings.

At this point I�d like to thank to say thank you to Jonathan Peck for interjecting his perspectives on the matter.

Lyn you said in your second post: �My complaint is with using a dismissive pejorative phrase which is empty of fact or reasoned analysis�.

Well then we should not use the words �Neanderthal� and �Galoot�? What about the members of the Yuppie bas*ard infill builder crowd? Should they also be �banned� like �old widow lady�?

In ending this I feel that this is really a back lash for my post to Pam that got deleted.

I could be wrong (as I often am) but, that�s my gut feeling here.

Again, I apologize for using a work that hit a nerve in you. Perhaps when this happens again we can find a way to deal with it a little easier.

Please, let�s not let this snowball into something negative or contentious (yes, I had to look that word up:-). If need be please email me. Thanks Scott