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Book Review and Taunton Press Rant (long)

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Book Review and Taunton Press Rant (long)

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>I recently finished the (relatively) new (published 2003) Taunton Press book, "The Workshop: Celebrating the Place Where Craftsmanship Begins" by Scott Gibson. It consists of two or three page descriptions of the shops of various woodworkers, but is close to content-free as far as actual useful information for someone who plans to work in a workshop. It's kind of a passive, consumerist, book for the person who thinks buying the current cool tool means s/he is Working Wood. The astute reader will have picked up by now that this is a negative review - don't even waste your time checking it out of the library, and certainly don't buy it.

People have expressed their problems with Scott Landis' "The Workshop Book" (published in 1991), but at least he made a serious effort to examine what went into laying out and creating a usable shop, and, in touring various shops, examined how those shops worked and how their owners designed them. I've found it useful for my own shop and plan to read it extensively when the time comes (in the next couple of years, I hope) to expand beyond my little tiny shoplet.

I think these two books epitomize the direction that Taunton Press has gone in the 1990's and new century on the woodworking front. Fine Homebuilding is still a useful magazine, although they run circular saw reviews a little too often, but, as some threads have discussed, Fine Woodworking's quality has slipped in recent years (I can't speak for their other areas of gardening, cooking, and fabric stuff - I've never cracked the cover of any of those magazines). Perhaps FWW is responding to the market, but, if so, it's sad - I'd like to think there are enough people actually ruining bits of wood on the weekends and getting covered with shavings and sweat to justify publishing a magazine and books that will be helpful to them, and still be of interest to the armchair woodworker.

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Angelo in Cornwall, NY

>I have to agree that FWW has slipped, a lot. I can't remeber the last time I bought an issue. I would like to thank Chris S. and the others at PW for stepping in and filling the void. Still lots of good stuff there!

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FWW Alternative

Regan in Kitchener Ontario

>I recommend Furniture & Cabinetmaking, it's a bit pricey, but the articles are generally geared to the professional or serious amateur. And you won't get 50 articles a year on basic techniques "how to use a table saw" etc.

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They are slipping indeed

HC Sakman

>In the last issue, Lonnie Bird's (probably not his fault) article on candle box (or something like that) took 4 or 5 pages??? (can't remember exactly) Even Wood magazine doesn't spare that many pages for a project like that.

Perhaps they need to publish another magazine quarterly which is a little bit more challenging and inspiring. I've been a subscriber since issue #101. Having second thoughts...

Chico...

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Glenn Madsen

>Another FWW alternative is "Woodwork", which always has creative, useful and insiteful articles on things which are new to me.

The fact that they have a tendency to feature Northern California artisans doesn't hurt, either. I'm in the Bay Area.

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Re: They are slipping indeed

Mike G.

>I don't buy FWW anymore either, unless something on the cover catches my eye, such as the special issue this year, Tools and Shops. In the gallery of current work, there are a couple of woodcentral folks featured, one of them being Adam Cherubini.

But, what a lot of folks forget is, FWW is a "reader written" magazine. Theoretically, if person has a particular project or idea for a project, submit it to the editors of the magazine and they will check it out for possible publication.

Ellis had the editor of FWW on one of the chat nights. It was an interesting conversation. I don't know if transcripts of the chat are available or not.

If y'all remember, Tage Frid was an associate editor for the first several years of FWW.

Mike G.

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Jack Guzman from Maine

Re: FWW Alternative

Jack Guzman from Maine

>Can that be subscribed to in the US? Or bought at all?---Jack

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Re: FWW Alternative *LINK*

Regan in Kitchener Ontario

>It can be subscribed to, and I buy it at my local magazine/news store here in Canada. Follow the link and they should have the prices for Overseas subscriptions.

It's worth every penny!!


http://www.thegmcgroup.com/

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My kingdom for a Chapters

Marc Burt in Northeast GA.

>I used to live in KW. Four years in Waterloo, 6 months in Kitchener. It's amazing how much I took for granted being able to run to Chapters at a whim.

The closest bookstore to me here is Books A Million, but alas a Chapters she ain't! The selection is (IMO) poorer and the atmosphere just isn't as cozy.

Don't even get me started on the disparities between the Toccoa library and the KW library ;)

Of course I can still go out on the front porch tonight and have a drink without a coat on. Probably couldn't say the same if I were still in Waterloo...

-Marc

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Re: My kingdom for a Chapters

Mike G.

>You're just a skip, a jump, and a good rock's throw from us Marc. We're in the golden corner of SC.

Mike G.

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Re: FWW Alternative *LINK*

John, NY

>Or try the US distributors, Lightning. They're not Lightning fast for sure but they have managed to get 12 copies to me this year.

When comparing the price don't forget they are 12 copies a year not the 6-7 of the US magazines. And 12 copies is $59.95 right now!

No affiliation etc, but I like the mag!


Lightning

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Re: They are slipping indeed

Glenn Madsen

>"If y'all remember, Tage Frid was an associate editor for the first several years of FWW."

And it's changed a lot since then, but so has the rest of the world. A good friend gave me "the black and white" era of FWW. Kept me in reading material for close to six months. I built the Krenov handplane from #1. Well, Ron Hock helped a bit with the irons...

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Too much white space!

Jim Cosgrove in N. Virginia

>In the last couple of years, FWW has run some interesting (to me) articles on period furniture making. However, the magazine pales in comparison to itself in its early years. FWW, like many other magazines, has moved towards deleting text and replacing it with BIG photos and white space. I thought the latest issue looked like a cartoon! Several years ago, I was talking to one of the contributing editors. He said that there was a lot of information that he wanted to include in an article, but it was edited out because the article was too long (read, too many words). The situation now, is much, much worse. Don't get me wrong, I like photos. But they are not always a replacement for text.

I guess I'm in the minority, but I like to read. I miss the information content.

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I'm with you...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond,CA

>Woodwork is my presonal fave too.

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Jack Guzman from Maine

That's the one

Jack Guzman from Maine

>Thanks. I was trying to figure out how to order that magazine by check.A US distributor uncomplicates that nicely.--Jack

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#16

My sentiments exactly on this book.

Mark Harrison -- in Sydney, Australia

>I too was extremely disappointed with this book. I suppose I was expecting The Workshop Book Vol 2 but instead got an overly long catalogue of craftsmen in North America. If I was the craftsman they visited and published with I would be extremely pleased but for my purposes it was a waste of money.

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Re: My sentiments exactly on this book.

Bob Hackett

>I have the book and know more than one of the craftsmen.I bought it mainly because I know them.

As stated FWW and Taunton Press has veered off course.What started off as a place to find cutting edge information that would help bring your work to the next level or see what those on that edge were doing has evidentlyfound it more porfitable to sink into mediocrity in thier magazine and put out "coffee table" books.

It`s truely a sad day when we have to go to the folks at Lark,The Guild of Master Craftsmen,and the numerous smaller publishing companies rather than get our inspiration and information from the supposed leader in the field.

It is gratifying to know that at least folks Like Chris Schwarz and PWW and the folks at Woodwork are listening and willing to fill the rapidly expanding gap at the top.

At least the folks at Taunton are smart enough to keep the older,real WWing books available.Perhaps that is what will keep them afloat after FWW finally goes belly up.

Mainely,Bob

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wrong, wrong, wrong! *LINK*

Barb Siddiqui - Wenatchee, WA

>"It consists of two or three page descriptions of the shops of various woodworkers, but is close to content-free as far as actual useful information for someone who plans to work in a workshop. It's kind of a passive, consumerist, book for the person who thinks buying the current cool tool means s/he is Working Wood. The astute reader will have picked up by now that this is a negative review"

Well, as Wood Central book review editor, I have to object to this view of Scott Gibson's book.

First, let's divide off criticism of Fine Woodworking as a magazine, and Taunton Press as a book publisher...two different cats. My objection stems mainly from judging a book by what it sets out to do, as is the criterion for anything: judge it by how well it fits the perameters of its intention. This book was marketed as a 'coffee table' book, not as a how-to. It is full of double page spreads and full page color shots of dream shops most people will never see. Looking at a book like this, you wouldn't expect exploded diagrams of how to construct a clamp rack; you simply feast your eyes on how these professionals and hobbyists have organized their dream shops.

You are right: Taunton has published many 'coffee table' books in the last decade, but they have also published The Complete Illustrated Guide series on everything from Cabinet Constuction to Sharpening, and the America's Best Craftsmen series on Chests, Beds, Tables, etc. for plans and how-to.

What you are doing is denying a niche market of coffee table books, which is a popular, rewarding niche for the publisher. After all, how many times can you republish the all-inclusive information in Scott Landis' Workshop Book (1991) and Sandor Nagyszalancay's Setting Up Shop (2000)?

If you feel this way, you'll feel the same about Lon Schleining's new Workbench book, too, which is decadent eye candy as well as new ideas for benches, without all the text of Scott Landis' original Workbench Book (1987).

So, no, please don't shoot down a woodworking author's efforts by going on a popular internet messageboard and telling people not to waste their time with a book. Rather, judge the book for how it succeeds at what it sets out to do. The Workshop is a beautifully formatted tour through some of the country's most productive and successful businesses. Enjoy it for what it is.

-Barb Siddiqui


The Workshop

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Re: wrong, wrong, wrong!

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Barb, I haven't read or even scanned this book, but in general, it would be hard for even two people to read the same book and write the same review of the experience. Therefore, I disagree that there is such a thing as a "wrong" review.

Second, I'm not even sure it's required of a reviewer to take the purpose of the book into account, to say nothing of the fact that Bill was speaking to a narrowly focused audience that he could reasonably assume are all interested in getting the same thing from a book on workshops. Maybe it's fair if a reviewer does so, but should not be required. If I see a book in the shop, there's probably no statement that the publisher thought that the author was providing nothing more than pleasant, undemanding eye-candy. I may be able to deduce that from scanning the book if there's so little text it's obvious.

So I find both your and Bill's reviews valuable; but Bill's told me what I needed to know in one, very short paragraph.

Pam

Pam

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I appreciate your point, Barb, but...

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA, the rain's here

>Maybe I should not have named it a "review," because you're right: I wasn't fair to the book's intention. At least I signaled that it was an opinion post by also including the word "rant" in the title, to hint that I wasn't trying to be objective.

I think part of my point in the rant was that Taunton seems to have moved significantly toward coffee-table books, rather than the highly use-oriented books of their earlier years. Perhaps this was inevitable, but I still find myself disappointed. You're correct that, if the intention was a tour of shops for the viewer rather than the doer, the book accomplished that goal. But my point was my concern not with whether it accomplished its goal, but whether its goal was still the one Taunton Press started out with.

To wander somewhat, it's kind of like the one-block downtown of my little town. When we moved here, there were a lot of practical stores, reflecting its role as the center of a mostly agricultural neighborhood. Over 31 years, the area's become far more a residential community, and now the only practical stores in the block are the two bookstores (one new, one used, both part of the same local chainlet); the rest are all variations of consumerist stuff - clothes, home frou-frou, etc. Now, I appreciate consumerist stuff too: I did most of my wife's stocking-stuffers on that block. But it's just not the same.

Wandering more, today's paper had an article on the theme, "time is the new luxury" (this is a new concept??), but the article seemed to focus on going to get massages and otherwise receive services. I agree that time is a luxurious thing to have, and look forward to Retirementland, when I hope to have more of it, but I plan to DO THINGS, not be an armchair observer of others doing them.

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Re: I appreciate your point, Barb, but...

Barb Siddiqui - Wenatchee, WA

>" I still find myself disappointed. You're correct that, if the intention was a tour of shops for the viewer rather than the doer, the book accomplished that goal. But my point was my concern not with whether it accomplished its goal, but whether its goal was still the one Taunton Press started out with."

And I appreciate your point, also, though I hope you'll remember that all things, including publishing, either have to change or remain stagnant. The faster electronic technology of publishing has made many new things possible, and if you consider the full range of Taunton's title list, I think you'll see a balance of coffee table presentations alongside the down and dirty how-tos. The eye-candy books can serve many readers as inspiration. Apparently it did nothing for you, but it seemed very harsh to advise WC's participants to not even check Gibson's book out of the library, let alone consider buying it. This is no small group of like-minded neanders. Ellis receives over 8000 hits a day on this website, and the lurkers far outnumber the participants, so all our words may have far reaching effects. I simply advise restraint. Sorry for my own rant; I don't mean to offend you or anyone reading these posts, but a wake up call as to the possible damage of broad generalizations seemed in order.

I take special care in my book reviews to try to tell people what a book isn't, as well as what it is. I'll endeavor to keep that firmly in mind in future reviews. -Barb Siddiqui

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A possible solution?

Bob Hackett

>Maybe if the publishing firms would label thier offerings as being aimed toward either "spectators" or "participants" it would help.

MB

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Bill's message is a service

Wiley Horne--Glendora CA

>Hi Barb,

I mean this as a totally friendly rejoinder. You make well-reasoned points about the breadth of Taunton's publishing program. And you make good points about what a book review should accomplish. And I further agree with you that coffee table books have their place--I use them to imagine what particular pieces of furniture might actually look like, if built, before I cut up a coupla thousand dollars worth of wood to make them. So the coffee-table-book method of visualization could extend to workshops, as well. All excellent points.

Where I disagree, though, is on the value of honest opinion. I believe Bill Houghton has done Taunton a service, not a disservice, in giving his unvarnished take on where he believes they're headed at this moment. He's not going to bring down Taunton Press. All institutions--be they government or private sector business--need honest feedback. You made the good point that all businesses must change with new technology and evolving market tastes. Bill, and also Mark Harrison, are part of that market and are expressing their tastes.

This year, for the first year in many, I did not re-up my FWW subscription. It wasn't the money really, I have enough. I just wasn't motivated to write the check and lick the stamp. I'm not part of their target audience any more--that's all that means. I did re-up Furniture and Cabinet Making, for reasons given above by one of the other posters. Taunton's business is to continuously assess this turbulence of subscribers coming in, subscribers renewing, and subscribers dropping out, and that's how they make their strategic decisions.

Bill Houghton is a fellow whose opinion I always pay attention to, because he is thoughtful and has a good sensibility, and doesn't have a mean bone in his body. To the extent Taunton pays attention to the sayings on this forum, they would be well-advised to put Bill and Mark's words on the scales alongside their own internal reckoning. Doesn't mean they should change anything. But it is valuable data. Just as your opinion is valuable data.

Wiley

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Re: I appreciate your point, Barb, but...

Mark Harrison -- in Sydney, Australia

>Barb,

I bought this book as part of another order long before I saw your review.

As I noted in an earlier post, I was expecting this to be the "The Workshop Book Vol 2". It most decidedly isn't!!!

If I wanted a coffee table book I might have felt sated. I still think that there is room for "The Workshop Book Vol 2" in the marketplace. Probably more so than the book I bought. IMO anyway.

What market demographic wants a coffee table book on workshops? I cannot imagine what this would be. People that have workshops are not much interested in this book. People that don't have workshops? Would they be interested in this book? Somehow I think not but hey, I could be wrong.

Regards,

Mark

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Re: LV Med Shoulder Plane is a Poor Smoother

Todd Stock

>If I were to write the subject review, I'd be absolutely correct in complaining as to just how inadequate a LV Med Shoulder is for smoothing panels; however, I doubt that Lee Valley or other readers here would take my comments seriously.

So I have to ask the question: how does a compilation of 33 shop tour articles get confused with a 'how-to' on positioning bench, storing stock, etc? Did the title, 'The Workshop: Celebrating the Place Where Craftsmanship Begins' somehow give the impression that dimensions were to be provided for each bench, fitting, and widget?

Criticizing the book for doing a poor job of profiling small workshops is fair game; complaining that it does not meet the needs of those interested in the design for yet another clamp stand is probably a little unfair.

I've been critical of Taunton books and magazines in the past, and I agree with Bill that they are getting a little light in the content department (particularly anything authored by Duckworth); however, they are still a cut above in most areas.

Finally - PW and Woodwork usually merit the cost of a subscription; however, most of the time, they are remarking and improving trails blazed by Taunton 15-20 years ago.

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