Thieving Jerk ?

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HC Sakman

>Sorry Ernie, what are you referring to? Patrick's B&G?

Chico...

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Brad in Ottawa

>Not Ernie, but I believe he is referring to Blood & Gore. I went to the site a week ago and saw the new welcoming page. (I'm not sure if it is a welcome page as it is a Wurnin fur trespass'rs.)

If you check it out it is Patrick's Stanley Blood & Gore Profit Warning.

Brad

PS - Disclaimer. No profit was made from this post. Any profits are purely accidental!


Profit Warning

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David Miller from Iowa

>I was corresponding with him recently and suggested he change the warning to "By clicking this button you agree that if you use any of these copyrighted descriptions to sell your tools on eBay or elsewhere, you agree to pay me 25% of the sale price as a copyright royalty...."

He may never see a dime, but at least he could write it off as bad debt on taxes.

Patrick hasn't responded to this idea.

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Ernie Miller Topeka

>Yes B&G it's a little over the top but I do see his point. after all he spent alot of time resurching and wrighting up all this info for any one to use freely and then have people steel it and make a proffet off it. I guess he will need to set up an automated set of search strings for ebay and run it then complain and have the adds removed or request compensation.

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Dale Stansbery

>Here's an Ebay auction using a direct quote with no attribution.

I guess it would be irritating. He's had the notice up at least a couple of weeks. I saw it about the same time I ran across this auction.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13874&item=6138960931&rd=1

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Todd Hughes

>I have the exact oppersite happen to me a few times, people taking photos and descriptions from my ebay auctions to put on thier web pages. Kind of irked me I guess but no biggie I didn't think.Of course my stuff wasn't copywrited so there is a difference.

If I remember right it seems a few years ago the Stanley company had some trouble with some of the stuff that was being used on the Stanley B&G page and stepped in to stop it. Maybe that is why Patrick is a little sensitive about this subject ....Todd

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Greg Sloop, Portland Oregon

>...at least he could write it off as bad debt on taxes.

Just a clairification - I see this type of comment quite regularly...

The provision for bad debt allowance as a write off is just to offset income already declared in the tax filing. (I believe this really only applies when you use an accrual method of accounting. Cash basis accounting should account for the "loss" by a net gain of total revenue minus unpaid debts, bad or not. In short, you never get the cash, thus you never book revenue you have not gotten.)

(If you loaned a vendor some cash or actual product in return for a promise to pay, and didn't get paid back, you can deduct that cash out (lost revenue) from cash in (realized revenue) so you are not paying tax on revenue/cash you never actually got/realized.)

Thus, you shouldn't have to pay tax on money you never got - earnings or income never paid for. Thus you can write off a bad "debt" against income.

You can't write off things without a real paid-for value. You can't "write-off" charitable donations of time. I don't believe you can write off as bad debt someones use of your material (ala B&G) - as you can't define what revenue you'd be taxed twice on...

Disclaimer: Not an accountant, but somewhat familliar with tax code.

Cheers,

Greg

I'm sure some accountant will step up to bork me and my explaination too... :)

No Kidding!!! Thanks.

HC Sakman

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CJ McLaughlin

>Todd:

Just so you know, whenever you write down your descriptions or snap a photo, you have a copyright in your work. You'd have to register it to enforce it (about $50 each). Not that you have to, of course. Just letting you know that you do have a copyright.

Chris

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Ernie Miller Topeka

>I met up with this bunch just after that happened. I'm betting you are right to some extent. I can't imagin putting in the work it took for that web page. and then to have it stolen for some one elses proffet.

What if... *LINK*

Dave Louw, Bellevue, WA

>So clearly copying Patrick's text without attribution is a nasty no-no. But what about linking directly to the page as a reference? Seems like that doesn't detract from the auction listing much and it absolutely wouldn't violate Patrick's copyright. The auction lister would still be profitting from Patrick's work though...

Sounds like this is a case of not giving detailed information on where the quote came from. The person that listed the auction in Dale's link above clearly says that the quote came from "an article" and they don't try to pass it off as their own work. Certainly that's better than pure plagerism. Oh well, it's just interesting how copyright law applies to the Internet where knowledge can be as easily linked as it is truly copied.

Dave.


Stanley #45

It is actually just common sense

HC Sakman

>If one presents the info like its his/her own and it actually is not, then that is stealing.

If the original source of the info is linked, then that's an automatic accreditation of the info source. My common sense also says no permission is necessary for linking because it's practically the same thing to give out that "source" site's address and make people to type it in.

Chico...

The best way to says "Thanks, Patrick"

Glenn Madsen

>is to, on occaision, buy something from him.

Since I'm _NOT_ a rust hunter, and have an aversion to flea markets and estate sales, and live in old tool hell anyway, buying known good, old tools from Patrick's email list makes a lot of sense to me. So, once or twice a year, one of his finds a new home in my shop.

The world pays me a good living for my specialty. Why not for his?