Would any one??

Re: Would any one??

Todd Hughes

>I think with good originals often going for $10 - $25 and very common it might be hard to sell new made ones but if heavly hyped you never know after all LN seems to sell alot of planes, eh?.....Todd

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Pretty much depends on the price/quality equation. Note that you won't be the only one. In addition to the C&W's, there are piles of old ones available from the UK.

Pam


Clark & Williams

Re: Would any one??

Chad Boehlke

>You many be right Todd. It could work, not every type of moulding plane is for sale, nor the "right" one needed at the right time. Iwil still look in to this idea, thanks.

Hollows and Rounds

Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

>Clark & Williams gets $77 USD apiece for simple hollows and rounds. If you can make them well, and can get a good reputation, and can price them competitively, I think they would sell.

Make a couple and show them off here. You are not supposed to sell through your posts, but showing new planes in the Hand Tools messageboard is an established tradition.

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Adam Cherubini, NJ

>Chad,

There are molding planes and molding-like planes that are difficult to find, or difficult to find in usable condition. Don't let Todd snow you. The common planes available today are house joiner's tools, not cabinetmaking planes. The craft your customer is interested in is cabinetmaking, not finish carpentry. If Todd's point is "don't make the ubiquitous", I'd agree. But lets not pretend you can really find what you want, when you want it (or ever) on ebay. I want tools people stopped using 250 years ago, but that's just me.

Anyway, here's what we're missing:

york and cabinet pitched molders, especially:

*square ogees

*real cabinet sized complex molders (for waist molds)

*cove and astragals (for crowns)

Beyond molders, I recommend seriously considering the more challenging planes like:

*3/4" dadoes- wooden dadoes are vastly superior to stanley's metal plane IMHO. 3/4" is very rare. I prefer brass depth stops, but if you figure a way to make the older wooden design work well, I'd go that way.

*3/4" match planes- stanley may have a competing plane for this. I don't have experience with them.

*wedge armed plough planes. The cost of these planes will very likely make a repro instantly cost competitive.

I wouldn't make H&R until your business/cult has taken off. Ditto for rabbets, beads, and surface planes.

While I'm handing out advice, let me say this: Do your homework. Guys fed their families doing this and so can you. But you need to know what they did, how they did it, and why they did it that way. Start with traditional, then express yourself. Don't reinvent the wheel until you really understand why its round (if that makes any sense). I'd start by taking a good hard look at the planes in the Seaton chest, then back up from there. Understand why beech was used. I think you'll quickly determine that maple or birch are acceptable subsititutes for moulding planes.

We need guys to make tools because we can't grow our craft as long as we rely on antiques. Guys like Steve Knight, C&W, Adria, etc serve a critical need. Dunbar teaches us that more information, more suppliers, actually grow the market and make more business for everybody. There's plenty of room for more boutique tool makers.

Adam

Re: Thanks Adam and to all

Chad Boehlke

>I really enjoy woodworking planes. I started to collect when I was 12 now I am 32. I like to build tools for others as well as for myself. About 10 years ago I have learned blacksmithing, and made hold fasts, straped hamer heads, dogs, froes, etc stuff a woodworkers might need. Well thank you for your advice and I have been asking on other woodworking web sites, so far it has been mixed. Thanks Chad in Nebraska

molders for dummies

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>How does one take the mytery out of setting and using molders. I have one molding plane that I picked up. I decided not to pick up anymore until I can make this one work. It's a bead and cove and in nice condition, but for the life of me, I can't figure out how deep to set the iron and how to orient it on the workpiece. In short, I can't make it work. Am I the only one?

Regards

Jonathan

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Davy Barr

>I too have a problem making bead planes work right. Maybe it's because I've only tried them in soft pine and cypress. Or maybe it's a lack of a fence that makes the bead wander and not stay straight. Who knows? Any advice? In relation to this topic, I would personally be very interested in new moulding planes that are a little cheaper than the C&W's. Especially useful would be dado planes in 3/4" and smaller sizes. They are hard to find in decent shape in my neck of the woods.

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Tony Z.

>Nope, don't think so! I got more than one too! Everytime, 'tis the same ole thing--need the plane, buy it, and it sits.

Got a real nice astragal plane from "The Best Things" for an anniversary present--made a few shavings, but me thinks my eyes were bigger than my tummy, and so, she sits!

Agree with Adam

Jack Guzman from Maine

>Hi Chad,

I would be interested. Some of those that Adam mentioned,especially the 3/4" dado and the 3/4" match. I've been picking from ebay for over a year now and I'm not having much luck. Most of what I buy turns out to be useless,so it's hard to trust ebay. I haven't foung a single useful one in fleas either. I looked into getting hollows and rounds new but the price of C&Ws is prohibitive.I say try it in a small way. Make a few of one type and see how it sells. I'd be willing to bet you there's a market for them.---Jack

Very well spoken, Adam!

Frank Mutchler in Colorado Springs

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YES!!!!!!!!

Tim of Dublin

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One more - hook joint plane for 3/4" stock.

Andrew F in Australia

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Guess I agree too

Todd Hughes

>I think someone could probably make a go of it esp. if they made custom planes for people and carefully marketed them in the right circles and was able to keep the prices down to a reasonable amount and made them so that they looked like an original.Might not be easy but could be done.One of the things that would help is the fact that many wood workers today seem to have a true aversion to using "old" tools instead would rather buy often at a higher price a new tool.Personaly I think this is a hold over from working with machines but that is neither here or there......Todd, have to get hopefully to buy some Old tools!

Molding Plane Use Thread  *LINK*

Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

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Molding Plane Use

Moulding Plane Sharpening Thread  *LINK*

Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

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Moulding Plane Sharpening

I don't think...

Mike L

>....it's an aversion to old tools as much as it is the desire to minimze time spent getting tools into working order along with not knowing where to find the old tools they're looking for. Pesonally, I think most new tools are ugly compared to their 'period' counterparts; even many of the new infills and woodies. In my opinion, they lack the grace of many of the old tools.

But the old tools aren't necessarily as easy to find as you let on. For example, I know that decent woodie bench planes are abundant in some areas of the globe but I have not seen even a single one around here in good condition (and I've expended a fair effort in my searching, including driving ~1300 miles roundtrip in 28 hours to buy somebody's "collection"). I'd guess that most people don't want to expend that much effort searching for tools that may require additional time to get into working order and would rather just buy a new tool that will arrive on their doorsteps almost ready-to-go.

Another factor is that many of us lack knowledge or training in the use of handtools so, if an old tool doesn't work as expected, we don't know if it's the tool or the user who is at fault. It's easier to buy a tool that you know is supposed to work right so you can concentrate on learning how to use it rather than wondering if there is something wrong with the tool.

That said, I have very few new handtools in my shop; an unused Veritas LA smoother, a few Adria backsaws, and an over-abundance of assorted sharpening paraphernalia. In my mind, old tools still rule (when you can find them).

Cheers,

Mike