I don't know jack

Re: I don't know jack

Todd O. Cronkhite Maine Native in Florida Exile:~(

>Congrats on the super B-day gift, and more than likely I missed it, but happy birthday!

Either you've been an extremly good boy this year to get such a nice b-day gift, or your just rrrrrrrrrrrrreal good at noth getting caught! ;~) Which ever it is you best keep it up as Ol Santy will be coming soon eh.

Todd O.

Re: I don't know jack

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>Hey Derek,

I must be in the birthday spirit...cuz I just ordered the LN low angle smoother, and a Knight 50 deg coffin shaped smoother. Speaking of jack planes, i've been having a little fun with mine, seems I need three of these - (2) for following the scrub and both woodies, and (1) for general stuff, a nice LN :-) The woodies are a Knight (set fine) and an old lignum vitae set for a rank cut. I've been playing with my new Crown jack scrub, but I'm not to sure about this one yet as the chips like to stay in the mouth opening and compact when set rank. I wish it would clear better. Happy and Healthy

Regards

Jonathan - who will be clearing out a few planes to make room.

Jack scrub?

Lyn J. Mangiameli

>Please say more on your Crown Jack sized scrub. I've been advocating for a jacked sized scrub for years and never been able to get one into production. This is such a sensible size for rapid dimensioning of rough slabs and for paring a flat spot on chainsaw cut rounds to be mounted as bowl blanks to a faceplate or screw chuck, yet I've never found a source for one. I use a modified old wooden jack plane and an old corrogated sole Sargent Jack, but neither work as well as a true scrub, thus hearing that such a thing exists is good news to my ears.

Re: Jack scrub?

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Scrubs typically have small radius curved blades. Do you think such radii could be sized up? Or would you want a more shallow radius?

Pam

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Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>This is the one I'm trying out. I can't say more than I've already posted yet, but it did come with two irons - (1) straight and (1) radiiused. I haven't spend much time on it, but I did mess around with it for probably close to a half hour. My only question about this plane is as to the size of the throat opening, it doesn't seem to eject the chips. This is on a mahogony scrap piece that started at 3/4" and is now closer to 3/8' in no time at all.

My lignum vitae woodie (which doesn't have any makers mark) also has the benefit of a lower bedded iron, is rock solid and takes the punishment easily, sprays shaving like a wood chipper and has the benefit of a worn or rather large mouth opening. The closed tote is also super comfy.

I'll post a pic as soon as I can find my fire wire

Regards

Jonathan


Crown Planes

Re: Jack scrub?

steve knight

>it would be easy to make one. but is there much call for one? I thought you wanted a short plane so you could nail those high spots. I have notdone enough scrubbing to really know though.

Jonathan and Bevel Up Planes?

Brad in Ottawa

>I'm just surprised you bought one of dem der Bevel Up puppies!!! Welcome to the dark side!! Hope you try changing blades!!!

(I can now officially say that b/c I just picked up a LV Bevel Up Smoother from the clearance table. It was the display model.)

Brad

I gotta good woman!

Derek

>She's put up with me for a long time now - this was my 26th birthday married to her!

not sure about maket--easy enough to create...

John Truxell-Svenson (jvs)

>...for <$60 from a $15 jack of any vintage or nearly any condition, an 1/8" iron from LN, and, if you really want all the bells, a $5 replacement yoke to retain wheel adjustability after the new blade (probably optional). The mouth will need to be filed open and the blade properly cambered, but this would take a half-hour tops.

I have a #6 that is set kind of like this (moderate camber; more of a super-jack than a super-scrub), and it works exactly the way one would imagine for quickly truing rough stock after a #40 1/2 has "mountain-topped" it and gotten rid of the worst twist and bend. The only downside factors are the weight (fine to swing around for a couple of boards, tiring after that, punishing for much more) and that the iron is .140 instead of .125, requiring a little more time to fit the mouth to the iron. I can't easily see where a commercial setup would do any better.

/jvs

Home remedies

Bob Hackett

>Sounds like you`re veering off into a place where transitionals may be of some help.

Buy one cheap(less than $10 each up here),you salvage all the metal parts and then use the trashed wood bed as a pattern for the new one out of whatever local wood will stand up to the abuse.

Seeing as how you don`t have to go to all the trouble to carefully fit the mouth it would be a good and useful project for even a beginner.

Transition planes are some of the most underated and cheap tools around.With a new iron and block of wood the possibilities are nearly endless.

Just thinking out loud here.

Mainely,Bob

Specs?

Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

>What are you looking for that a #40-sized scrub plane does not have? Greater blade width, greater length, or both?

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Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>I've attached a pic of the Crown jack and my old woodie jack side by side. As you might be able to tell, the throat opening on the Crown is a little smaller, but overall it's a solid well made tool with a meaty tote. The wedge fits nicely and the two blades took the punishment without visible chip out.

As a scrub plane, I like my LN replica of the #40 for a few reasons. It's smaller, has a narrower and thicker iron with more pronounced curvature, and it's easier to control and push. To follow the scrub, and take down the high spots left by the scrub, the Crown jack has a less pronounced curvature on the radiiused blade and a straight blade for which I'll add a little camber. I don't think that it outperformed my lignum vitae jack plane which I set up to take a rank cut and follow the scrub, but it performed just as well with one exception - the chips were getting stuck in the throat opening.

Regards

Jonathan


Throat openings

Re: Jonathan and Bevel Up Planes?

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>TLet's just sat the gizmosity of the overhead Bailey-type blade adjuster on the LN version got the better of me. Unlike on the original Stanley #164 (for which I've never seen one), I'm betting this one actually works:-) I'm also hoping that improved materials (ductile iron) will help to make the mouth less prone to chipping than it's Stanley twin.

Regards

Jonathan

Re: Home remedies

John Truxell-Svenson (jvs)

>Yup--that would certainly help with the "rolling resistance" issue. Mass is nice here, but the full weight of a WWII #6 is a bit much, and a 27 or 29+ modified for the role with a new body would have the wood-on-wood advantage, and still plenty of mass.

Hmmm... have an organ donor right here, but it will have to wait until the Secret Santa package is out the door.




/jvs

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Tim of Dublin

>I'm pretty sure Steve Knight would make you a scrub of just about any length you wanted.

Tim

on second thought...

Tim of Dublin

>Are you after a scrub or a roughing jack/try plane?

Steve made me an ~18 inch long plane with a fairly open mouth (not that opening the mouth myself would be difficult but if I'm getting a plane made, might as well as get it how I'd like it). It is very quick....especially after I radius'd the iron a bit.

And IME, I only use a scrub when removing serious amounts of wood - thicknessing or a really warped board. I generally use a less aggressive jack/try set for rough work when face jointing.

Tim

Two planes in one?

Bob Hackett

>With Steve`s method of construction I would think you could just buy a jack and 2 irons.

When it came time to use it as a scrub plane just install the radiused iron,remove the block that closes the mouth and instant wide mouthed scrub.

How about it Steve?

Mainely,Bob