Sargent planes

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David Miller from Iowa

>It's not the immediate gratifcation the web offers, but get Dave Heckel's Sargent book - everything you need to know

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Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI

>The "Bedrock" frog would only be possible in a cast iron plane; the transitional plane has a wooden body; I'm curious as to what it is that you saw.

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Mike G.

>>The "Bedrock" frog would only be possible in a cast >iron plane; the transitional plane has a wooden >body; I'm curious as to what it is that you saw.

What I saw was a Sargent Transitional plane that said on the end of it; Bedrock plane and Sargent. It didn't have a tote, but had a front knob made of Beech, I'm guessing. It also said Bedrock on the levercap. Had the twisted steel lateral adjustment and brass wheel blade adjustment. Also, it had either another piece of wood attached for a replacement sole, or it was made that way. It's in an antique shop, so I'm not sure if the owner will let me take a picture, although I've bought and traded with them for a few items. It'a about the size of a number 2 Stanley plane.

I just got a # 65 knuckle joint cap block in good plus condition from this same place. It wasn't a gloatable price, 30 bucks, but I don't think I paid too much either.

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David Miller from Iowa

>Sounds like a small transitional with a bedrock lever cap swapped in, probably a #603 width, although I can't explain the Bedrock reference on the "end".

Looking at Heckel's book (the first edition) a #3407 transitional (sole 7" x 1 3/4") books at $150 to $300. The #3408 (sole 8" x 1 3/4") books at $75 to $150.

Not saying that is what you're looking at, just quoting some books.

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Mike G.

>Thanks David,

It definitely has Bedrock stamped on the end. You might be right on the levercap as it looks different in style and build from the Stanley #35 I have. I guess the asking price is about right, but I'm sure if I wanted it, I could talk the price down a bit.

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Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI

>I have to admit to not knowing everything, but have been around tools for a few years. I wouldn't put it past somebody to stamp the end "Bedrock" in hopes of someone coming along that knows just enough about planes to be dangerous. "Bedrock" was a Stanley trademark, and I doubt they would have let Sargent use it, although I would like to be corrected if I'm wrong.

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Todd Hughes

>Sounds like a cut up or modified Sargent that someone stamped Bedrock on the toe to raise the price or to make it match the lever cap.The lever cap if it is a real stanley 603 is probably worth $50 by itself and if it is a 602, which I doubt , would be worth a good deal more.I would look at a photo of a real Stanley bedrock lever cap first to make sure it is original and not just stamped like the front of the plane. I have seen many marriages between Stanley and Sargent,[and other] planes over the years.I once had to buy an entire later Millers Falls plane just to get a Bedrock lever cap on it.I didn't want to carry it around with me at this huge flea market so I tossed the rest of the nothing special plane into a trash can to the astonishment of it's seller.... With out the lever cap this transitional plane sounds like it wouldn't be worth the trouble to pick up if you dropped it....Todd

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Mike G.

>Well, if memory serves me, and it was only yesterday, the levercap looks like a type 6 Stanley. The rest of the plane looks like a modified Sargent No. 3407. I still can't fugure out the Bedrock stamped into the heel right below Sargent, though. If it is bogus, the former owner did an incredible job of it. If I can steal...errr...borrow my wife's DC, maybe I can get a picture of it.

Thanks, Mike G.

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walt quadrato

>being a bit of a Sargent collector, I'd love to see a pic of this one...if it was a metal plane I'd have said a Shaw's patent frog..closely resembling a bedrock...but a transitional..well, as Todd said..it may be worth it just for the lever cap.

walt


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Mike G.

>I stopped and looked at the Sargent plane again today. It doesn't look like any of the transitionals I saw on Bob Kaune's site. It's eight inches long and about two inches wide with a 1 3/4" iron. I misspoke in an earlier post. There is no maker's mark on the wood body of the plane. I guess I let my imagination get away with me. :) The iron is marked Sargent. The levercap has BEDROCK on it was mentioned before and it is 1 3/4" wide and in very good shape. I guess I need to make a decision on buying it before too long as they will be closing up for the season.

Mike G.

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Todd Hughes

>Sounds like the lever cap is from a 603 and the plane is a Sargent 3408. What do they want for the plane? the lever cap is pretty desirable but rest of the plane esp. with the added on sole isn't probably worth much.....Todd

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Mike G.

>Hi Todd,

The asking price is 75 bucks, a little steep in my opinion. But I think I can talk it down a bit as I've bought and traded a few items there as well as just visiting and talking several times. I'm still going to try to get a picture.

Mike G.

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walt quadrato

>Waaaaaaay to much...IMHO

walt