Jointer Plane Question

Re: Jointer Plane Question

Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Frank

Speak to Rob Lee at LV. He may know something!

Regards from Perth

Derek

Rob Lee Question-Jointer Plane Question

Frank Martin (Chicago, IL)

>Rob,

Please see my original post in this thread. Derek suggested you may know something!! (thanks Derek!)

Are you planning to include a jointer plane in your line up anytime soon? All my planes so far are Veritas and I have been very pleased with them all. If you are planning to come up with a jointer plane, can you elaborate on it a little (low angle vs regular, adjustable mouth, etc).

Thanks!

Re: Jointer Plane Question

Christof Hartge

>Hello Frank,

the simple answer could be: you don't need an adjustable mouth. Think what you want to do with a jointer: You want to join edges with it. No extra fine mouth needed just a long flat sole and a sharp iron. Perhaps you want to do some pre-smoothing of big surfaces, again you can rely on your bunch of abbreviated fine planes for the last strokes.

Yours Christof.

Re: Jointer Plane Question

Frank Martin (Chicago, IL)

>Hi Christof,

Thanks for the explanation. As you pointed out I plan to use the jointer for surfacing also. I sure can use a smoothing plane for the final passes but I still wanted to have the flexibility of adjustable mouth.

Thanks again for the explanation/suggestion.

Re: Jointer Plane Question

Ed Falis

>What about the Veritas #6? It's a bit longer than a traditional #6 from what I hear.

- Ed

Re: Jointer Plane Question

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>I have the LN LA #7. It's a great plane for the price. It works well for jointing any wood, and smoothing all but the gnarliest woods.

Call LN and talk to them, I believe they were thinking about making a run of LA 7'a with an adjustable mouth. Can't hurt to ask...

Tuning the planes are half the satisfaction.

David Miller from Iowa

>And I picked up a WWII #8C for $50 three Sundays ago at Chicago's Maxwell street market...

Just razzing you Frank - good luck on whatever you decide to get.

Re: Jointer Plane Question

David Linnabary

>In the rather less frequent situations that you'd be using a jointer to surface panels you wouldn't loose much time to just adjust the mouth by adjusting the frog. For those situations, I grab the Hock iron out of my 4 1/2, cap and all, and put it in my #7. What a difference!

For fast resetup, Chris Schwartz showed me that simply using my finger tips to get a feel for the blade adjustment/depth of cut was so much quicker than anything I'd ever tried. Depth and lateral adjustment set to amazing accuracy usually on the first try.

To answer your earlier question a Stanley/Bailey #7 is a great plane and I'd recommend that any hand tool enthusiest own one. If later you choose to upgrade to a LN or LV, you'll easily find a buyer for the #7.

David

Re: Jointer Plane Question

Alan Hamilton

>Frank,

To flatten panels and straighten edges I would get a #7 or a #8. A bit of tear out isn't a problem on an edge that's to be glued to another; but tear out when you're flattening the show side of a panel can definitely be a problem. As you pointed out, low angle planes aren't at their best on recalcitrant long grain.

If you can afford it, get the Lie-Nielsen #7 or #8. I couldn't afford it, so I wound up with a Record #7. After some tuning it worked pretty well. Then I got it a Clifton iron and two-piece back iron and the difference was startling. That simple upgrade made a huge difference in the old Record's performance.

Alan

Steve Knight?

Ernie Miller Topeka

>How about a Steve Knight Jointer? I realy like my smoother. You will be able to save a little money untill LV comes out with what you want.

Re: Jointer Plane Question

Greg Sloop, Portland OR

>I think TLN's theory was that adjustable mouth didn't make that much of a difference.

I haven't done a huge amount of checking, but the angle of the iron makes a bigger difference than anything, so I'm not sure the mouth is a huge deal.

If it were me...

1) I'd check to see if LN or LV is going to make a LA version *with* an adjustable mouth. If so, then wait - provided you can.

2) Buy a bevel down user #7 or #8 and use with back-bevel if required. (This would hopefully be <$100-120 - otherwise...

3) Buy the LN LA #7 and a couple of irons. Sharpen them to say 35 and 50 deg and don't worry about the mouth. I think it will probably do a decent job.

4) Buy one of Knight's planes. (This isn't last because I don't like Knight's stuff, but because obviously this user, and myself too, prefer the LA style planes.

5) Buy a regular BD LN #7 or #8. (This is last because it's so expensive comparitively.)

Cheers,

Greg

Re: Steve Knight?

Steve Kubien

>Many of you know from previous posts that I am a Knight-Toolworks-convert. I love my 24" padouk jointer and my smoother. In fact, I haven't touched my Stanley #7 since the Knight strolled into the shop. I haven't decided to keep the Stanley or sell it. Either way, my Knights and my LA LV block are front and centre on the wall behind my bench.

Steve Kubien

Ajax, Ontario

Re: Jointer Plane Question

Frank Martin (Chicago, IL)

>Thanks for all the responses folks. I did call LN and they confirmed that they are planning to come up with an adjustable mouth low angle jointer plane. Seems like Rob Lee is busy and so far have not received a response from him on this issue.

I guess I will wait and buy a low angle jointer plane either from LN or LV (would be my choice based on price/performance).

Thanks again!

Re: Rob Lee Question-Jointer Plane Question

Rob Lee

>Hi Frank -

Sorry - missed this post....has some visitor up here, and fell behind on my reading....

Yes - we do have something in the works...LA, and adjustable mouth...

I think it's one of those designs that'll be reviled on "the porch", but will address the function just fine....

Cheers -

Rob

PS for Lyn....

Rob Lee

>... it doesn't have any circles... :)

Cheers -

Rob

Re: Rob Lee Question-Jointer Plane Question

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>"I think it's one of those designs that'll be reviled on "the porch", but will address the function just fine...."

Hi Rob,

I don't know why you'd say that. On the Porch, we mainly discuss traditional hand tools. Your plane could hardly be on topic for discussion there unless you have come up with some original inovation that could be considered an improvement in design and warrant objective investigation

All the very best,

Re: Rob Lee Question-Jointer Plane Question

Frank Martin (Chicago, IL)

>Hi Rob,

Sounds like it is going to look different from the other low angle planes so far!

Makes it even more exiciting (read harder) to wait for.

Thanks for the response!

Re: Rob Lee Question-Jointer Plane Question

Rob Lee

>Hi Jonathan -

I read the list pretty regularly - though don't post there (interface preferences).

What I'm saying is that it's really going to look non-traditional... at least, if it ends up looking like our current concept...

Cheers -

Rob

Re: Rob Lee Question-Jointer Plane Question *LINK*

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>Hi Rob,

I recall when you came out with the 4+1/2. Pretty non traditional if you ask me. I beleive that it got fair treatment on the Porch with a solid discussion on the design features. Unfortunately none (few?) had tried it, and couldn't comment on performance. As far as aesthetics go...well you know how us traditionalists are. That's what I was referring to anyways...and I now see...as were you.

Regards

Jonathan


Veritas 4-1/2 on the Porch

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paul womack

>Your plane could hardly be on topic for discussion...

The Porch does discuss modern/new tools. I think the charter's probably due an update, since discussion of new tools (e.g. LN, LV, Clifton, Steve Knight) is common and accepted by the moms.

Re-reading the charter, it states (specifically) traditional tools. I think (in this case) it's the charter that's wrong, given normal practice.

BugBear

So right!

Wiley Horne--Glendora CA

>Just a permanent lurker at the Porch, but I would say it is the height of civility and good humor.

Wiley