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My version of a round plane.

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My version of a round plane.

Skip in Falls Church

>The HOA in the neighborhood that we live in tends to be a bit fanatical. One of the requirements is that the boards on both sides of the front door be a particular style. They are either 1x6 s with four 3/4 inch diameter grooves (flutes?) or a similar vinyl product. The vinyl pieces are about $80 each and wooden parts don't seem to be available locally. (The townhouses in the area were built 30 years ago so that isn't too surprising.)

In any case we received a notice that we had to repair/replace one or both of ours. Spending $160 for a couple of pieces of vinyl didn't really appeal to me - neither did either paying someone to make it. Buying and putting a molding head cutter on my cheap table saw wasn't terribly appealing either. After some thought, I decided to make a plane to reproduce the molding - sort of in the Krenov style. Since the grooves were 3/4" diameter, I took a birch dowel and put it in one of the grooves and marked the depth on it. Then I cut it, smoothed it and glued it to the bottom of piece of maple 1x4. I ripped a couple of pieces of 1x4 maple to 3/8" to use for the cheeks. I then set up the body of the plane just like a Krenov plane and transferred the throat markings to the cheeks.

I then cut out the throat and laminated the three pieces together with the bottom of the cheeks even with the top of the dowel. This ensured that the depth of cut would be exactly the same as on the original pieces. I decided to add a fence so I could get all the grooves evenly spaced and straight. I used �" oak dowels and some scrap red oak I had around. The final question - what to use as an iron? A2? O1? HSS? An old stainless steel blade from a chefs knife? I picked the blade from the chefs knife even though it was only 1/8" thick. J I used the piece I cut from the mouth to get the correct shape on the blade and refined it a bit after I got it in the plane.

So how did it all work? Well, with the thin blade, there was a lot of chatter. Also, since I wasn't sure what I'd use for a blade - the mouth was a bit wider than it should have been. Were I to use this plane more than once every 30 years, I'd probably buy a replacement rabbet blade from Lee Valley like the one mentioned in a thread a few days ago. I'm sure that would close up the mouth and reduce the chatter a bit. While I got the mouth geometry fairly close, the throat geometry was far too small and resulted in a lot of throat clogging. In my quest to get the wedge as close to the blade as I could to reduce chatter, I set the pin a little too low and bottom of the wedge closed the throat up a bit too much. I can probably alleviate that by reworking the bottom of the wedge a bit but I suspect it won't come close to curing it. However, the plane did the job and I have two boards that meet the HOA requirements. It was a fun learning experience regardless.

I'm going to try to include some pictures - but I've never done this before so don't be surprised if they don't turn out. I'm afraid the pictures are not of very good quality in any case.

Skip


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Rob Brophy

>Hey Skip,

Nice work! Now that you have the plane, I bet you could get a little cottage industry going making replacement boards for all your neighbors. If not for cash, then at least for beer!

Rob...remembering the neighborhood outrage when I painted the steeple of the old church we live in Barney purple!

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Skip in Falls Church

>Thanks Bob. It may not be pretty - but it works! :) I was thinking of letting anyone that wanted to make their own molding use it - but I suspect that most of the people in the neighborhood would rather put out $160 instead. And hire someone to install it.

Our HOA recently "outlawed" statuary in the front yards - including things like pink flamingos. Everything has to be painted with "their" standard colors although they will allow that white is white. Purple is definitely *not* one of their standard colors.

Skip

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Rob Brophy

>Hey Skip,

That's a *complicated* plane you whipped up! It looks great. How 'bout a better picture?

I have a real problem with these neighborhood taste vigilantes. We moved out of one of these areas about eight years ago to an older, more modest working class area. We love it...Pink flamingos, holy goalies (concrete Madonna in half bathtub) and one fella on the next block has a life size fiberglass hippopotamus in his backyard. We have several small set pieces in our back yard (we work at a theatre), but nothing too crazy in the front yard yet. The Missus carved the statue below for a production about four years ago (Old tool content...she used a lot of handtools), and wanted to use it in the front yard as a rose arbor, but eventually she decided that at 13 feet tall it might overpower the lines of the church. :-) But I'm trying to come up with a woodworking related weathervane for the steeple...any ideas?


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For weathervane: a plane, of course

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>Though you'd have to have something big for a tailvane, since the center of mass (and therefore surface) of a plane tends to be forward. Though maybe if you made a No. 4 smoother, it would work, since much of the surface area on that is rear of the centerline.

When you decide to do the 'vane, ping me offline - my son has built several, and has some clever approaches for the bearing surface, since you want something that won't need regular greasing (unless you've always wanted to be a steeplejack).

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Thin irons

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>I used a 1/8" or so iron on my butt hinge mortise plane, which sticks down, unsupported, the thickness of the hinge leaf when cutting, and does quite well. For softwood, I think it's possible to get away with a lot more than the discussions on this forum would sometimes lead one to believe.

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Steve Kubien

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Steve Kubien

>Holy goalies? ROTFLMAO!

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GolfSteve in Calgary

>Way to improvise, skip. It seems like there wouldn't be much of a glue surface when sandwiching a dowel between two straight boards, but it did the job, eh?

What does HOA stand for? Around here there are "architectural controls" that apply to the developer of a new neighbourhood. But, once control of the neighbourhood is handed over to the city, the controls usually lapse and the homeowner is free to do what he or she wants subject to development permits (needed only for major reconstruction).

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Re: Thin irons

Skip in Falls Church

>I suspect that a really sharp iron covers a multitude of sins - so to speak. My biggest concern about the blade was that the cheap stainless steel wouldn't hold an edge very well. However, it held up really well although I was only using it in soft wood.

Skip

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Skip in Falls Church

>Thanks Steve! Actually there are 3 pieces of wood there plus the dowel. I split the dowel and glued it to the center piece so that it was glued along its entire length.

HOA Stands for Home Owners Association and in this area they have a lot of power - unfortunately IMO. At one point they wanted everyone in the neighborhood to have the same color curtains in the windows that faced the street. Fortunately that one didn't go into effect. My wife and I think of them as the house Nazis. :)

Skip

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Re: Holy Goalie

Skip in Falls Church

>Thanks Bob. I wish I could take a better picture - but I've just got one of those cheap cameras that come with the computer. Maybe one of these days I'll get a digital camers.

My wife *loves* your wife's statue - if she had it and there was no HOA, it'd be in out in our itty bitty front yard. :) I lived most of my 50 something years in Texas and there weren't a lot of HOAs there (at least before I moved up here in 1997). It seems to me that if you own the house and own the ground it follows that you should be able to do anything you want with it as long as it doesn't present a danger to the public. Unfortunately our HOA can take any noncompliant home owner to court.

Skip

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Todd O. Cronkhite Native of Maine

>Skip,

If you ever get a better camera repost this plane as these pictures where really cloudy, and I'm sure that your bit of ingenious "cobblism" deserves much better than that. What cha' gonna do with the $160 you saved? Hmmmmmmmmmmm, buy a camera by chance eh? ;~)

Bob

Gotta agree with the plane idea for a weather vane. Might need to have to make a tote a but oversized to whatever scale you make the rest of the plane to make it work right. Was thinking that perhaps you could glue a whole bunch of faux shaving to the roof for additional effect, but that again if the wind is "planing the wind" wood shaving wouldn't be the by-product now wood it. Pun intended. Let us know what you decide on eh?

Todd O.

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Rob Brophy

>Hey Todd,

I'm with you, I wanna see some better pix!

The shavings are a good idea...maybe just a plane silhouette cut out of some sheet copper instead of a real plane. A handsaw would work well also...hmmm. How about a handsaw attached to the middle of a large brace as a pivot? Lots of ideas...too bad tomorrow is going to be spent installing a new heater core in the car...winter's a comin'! ...Rob

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Rob, you mean to say

Todd O. Cronkhite Native of Maine

>that with all these idea for a nifty weathervane floating 'teen yer ears you're gonna spend tomorrow doing auto mechanics?! Heat? Heck man, it's only early October you've got plenty of time before you've gotta worry about heat.

How about a square? You know "Squaring the wind"

I do like the idea of a Brace as well.

Hw 'bout a Slick?

Do I smell a cottage industry?

Todd O.

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Re: First one is fun,

Rob Brophy

>..the second is work! Not much chance of starting a cottage industry for me, I'm too busy going from one distraction to the next to actually build two of something!

The slick is a great idea, as is the square, but our place looks too much like a Masonic Temple to be hanging squares...all the funny knocks at the door would drive us nuts.

Gotta fix the heater, remember we're way up north...the leaves are changin', fires are lit, pumpkins are everywhere and everyone's dressed like an LL Bean ad...heeheehee, sorry! ;-) ...Rob

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OT - car heater cores

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>My sympathies. I have not yet entirely recovered from replacing the heater core some years back in our 1973 Volvo. In those years, Volvo somehow suspended the heater core in mid-air and then built the car around it. Just getting to the @#$%#^ thing took me an entire day of cursing.

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Re: OT - car heater cores

Rob Brophy

>Hi Bill,

Yup, mine is a 1980 Volvo 244! I'm not looking forward to it. Book rate is something like 10.5 hours. I can just imagine the start of the Volvo assembly line: Bjorn picks a heater core out of a large bin and walks down the line holding it while the rest of the car is attached to it one piece at a time.

I plan to start cussin' a good hour before I even start the job.

Hopefully the new core lasts longer than the ignition breaker points I've been getting lately..they're only lasting 60 days! Made in Mexico.

I'd rather be woodworking...Rob

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Re: Holy Goalie

Mike G.

>" It seems to me that if you own the house and own the ground it follows that you should be able to do anything you want with it as long as it doesn't present a danger to the public. Unfortunately our HOA can take any noncompliant home owner to court."

Unfortunatly Skip, you don't "own" your land, anyway. Just don't pay your unconstitutional property taxes and see how much you own. Basically, you're "renting" your land from the govt. I also think HOA's should be done away with. They can turn a 2 week job into a nine month ordeal in a hurry.

Mike G....sorry for the hijack.

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Skip in Falls Church

>Get me really started about HOAs and a new board would be in order! :)

Skip

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Skip in Falls Church

>Well, if you guys will be patient, I'll take a real picture and scan it in. But it might take a few days to do it.

Given the choice between buying a digital camera and more hand tools..... hmmmmmmmmm, that shouldn't be a hard decision. :)

Skip

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Todd O. Cronkhite Native of Maine

>I feel your pain Rob, I just replaced the not quite 14 month old alternator in my S-10 this morning. Yup, 12th month warrentee had just died. They timed darn near to the second didn't they. Paid $137 for a AC Delco Lifetime Warrenteed Alternator.

Fires lit, pumpkins everywhere................ You lucky buggar, I'm still getting bit by 'skeeto's down here in He!!

Good luck with your job.

Todd O.

Good luck with job

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Think I would be OK?

Todd Hughes

>Heres a photo of the walk way coming into my house, wonder what those HOA people would think of me, eh? Should see what is on the other side of the fence!....BTW built the fence / wall using all hand tools and forged out the hardware for the gate.Still working on it. Want to make a section with iron spikes that go on top......Todd


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Ernie Miller Topeka

>I knew it wouldn't take long for you to mention a slick! I'm thinking a D12 with a #1 mounted on the handle the berring point would be some where around the etch.

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