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044 plough blade angle

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Jack Guzman from Maine

044 plough blade angle

Jack Guzman from Maine

>I'm cutting a groove in white oak to receive glass in a display case I'm building. I'm using a 044 record plough plane for the job.The skate is sticking in the groove making it difficult to plane. The skate is clean and lightly waxed.I believe the problem is the blade.It's poorly sharpened.The edge is curved and takes a dive on one corner.I started to reshape and sharpen it and decided to find out the optimal bevel angle for hardwoods in one of these planes.

So---does anyone have the answer to this question? What is the optimal angle for plow plane blades when using on hardwoods?Thanks.---Jack

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David Miller from Iowa

>The standard 30 degrees always worked for me. Not sure if it is so much the angle as the edge. Sorry that I'm not familiar with the Record, but with 45s and 46s, sticking skates is usually more a width problem than an edge problem. Unless the skate is lower than the blade on the one side where it is high.

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Bill Ward

>The Record 044 is basically the same size at the Stanley #50. I had them side by side last weekend at our Tornado Alley Galoot Fest in Topeka. I haven't done a detailed assessment of the similarities/differences of the two.

As far as grind angle, I'd need to double check mine, but I'd guess 30 degrees is about right. I'll try to check tonight. I too, wonder if there is a skate problem.

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Jack Guzman from Maine

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Jack Guzman from Maine

>I straightened out the edge and sharpened it at 25 and it works fine.I will put it at 30 for longer edge life. The problem was that with the uneven edge,if I set the blade deep enough to clean the groove it dug in.One side was cutting deeper than the other so the skate was binding.

I like this tool. Second job I've put it to in the weeks since I got it.

Thanks all.---Jack

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Ed Thomas, Leaside (Toronto) Ontario

>I have a set of blades that look to be original and never honed. They are ground at 35 degrees. The bed is at 45 degrees so 35 or less will work but 35 should hold it's edge longer in hardwood.

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Jack Guzman from Maine

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Jack Guzman from Maine

>Thanks Ed. This thing was ground at probably closer to 15 degrees and done poorly. I've never owned one before and had no idea about the angle.Probably the same situaton with the previous owner.Only they guessed.Probably didn't have a place like this to turn to.---Jack

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Ed Thomas, Leaside (Toronto) Ontario

>When in doubt, I would go for a relief angle of 10 degrees.

I've inherited mine from my father, who probably bought it in England before emigrating to Canada in '57. It is complete except for 1 blade, long fence rods, and the depth stop. Could someone post a pic or drawing of what the stop looks like. I assume it's more than a rod.

TIA

Ed

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Jack Guzman from Maine

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Jack Guzman from Maine

>Here's mine.---Jack


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Frank Mutchler in Colorado Springs

>Ed, your observation is exactly in agreement with the Owner's manual for both the 043 & 044. 35 deg. is what the factory ground the blades at.

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Another look.....

Frank Mutchler in Colorado Springs

>The foot is 6.3 cm long x 1.3 cm wide x .2 cm thick. The mounting spud is 2.9 cm long


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And one more..... 

Frank Mutchler in Colorado Springs

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You have a manual...

Scott Burr Ben Lomond,CA

>and you read it too! Dang... I'm slipping

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Re: Momentary lapse, Scott ;>)

Frank Mutchler in Colorado Springs

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What is the spud diameter?

Don Thompson, Cutler Ridge, Florida

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Ed Thomas, Leaside (Toronto) Ontario

>Thanks Jack and Frank, I've saved the pics and dimensions. Shouldn't be too hard to fabricate one of those.

Don, spud diameter is near enough to 7/32". I'll probably sand a 1/4" rod/bolt on the wood lathe to fit, then file a stub to peen into the foot.

Ed

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And for those of us without...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>A lathe the drill press works well also. As long as the bolt isin't too long.

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Ya hadta ask.........

Frank Mutchler in Colorado Springs

>I was afraid someone would ask that...now I have to get up & go out to the shop and mike this thing....(1min 38sec later)....hmmm mine is .218". Sorry, I don't have a metric venier ;>(

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Roger Nixon

>Bill, I was having the same problem with your 044 last weekend. Something was binding but I couldn't determine what it was.

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Make Two!

Don Thompson, Cutler Ridge, Florida

>I am missing one, also! (and the long rods)

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