Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

Re: Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

SteveC

>I don't intend to offend, but have you filed the edge on the cabinet scraper to a 45 as opposed to the 90 of the card scraper? I have used the Veritas extensively and have always had good luck with it.

Re: Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

>Hi Steve,

I have filed the blade on a 45 degree angle and then use a piece of molding cut at 45 degrees to slide the bevel back and forth on my 1000, 4000, and 8000 stones. I get a mirror polish on both sides of the blade.

Dan Clermont

Re: Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

Rob Lee

>Hi Dan -

Correct sharpening of this type of scraper is critical - the blade is held at a fixed angle, and you may have to modify the sharpening technique you use for freehand scrapers...

Our store staff should be able to help you with this - I'd be glad to set something up if you wish. Failing that, feel free to return it if it doesn't suit your method of work.

Cheers -

Rob

Re: Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

Tim of San Leandro

>Dan,

I have the same cabinet scraper.....I know you are a fairly accomplished woodworker....and I'm a relative newb. When I started using mine, I didn't pay attention to the way I installed the blade.....and got crappy performance. Turned the bevel the other way (I cannot recall which way the bevel should face off hand) and was able to get really good shavings. I also find that I have a much easier time pushing this tool and find it difficult to pull....unlike most bench planes or the scraper plane. If this ain't the problem....disregard :- ).

Tim

Re: Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

Jim in Burlington Ontario

>The most complicated part is getting the blade set in right. I use a pice of glass and when the blade has bottomed out I give it a little tap then tighten the screw's then a 1/4 turn of the scew at a time and squew the scraper. Have you looked at the sole to see if it's flat? It's no where near as good as the LV scraping plane but it's alot easier on the hands then card scrapers.

Re: Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

Alan Hamilton

>Dan,

I think Jim may be on to something. I have an old Stanley #80 and I had troubles similar to yours because I was extending the blade too far.

I used to use a match book cover to set the blade. That was too much. I now use a piece of ordinary paper, folded in half to double its thickness. I put the paper under the toe and then loosen the blade and wait for the click.

I've had no further woes with it. It's now one of my favorite tools. My hands stay cool and uncramped, and I don't have to work as hard as my card scrapers demand.

Alan

Dumb question

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>Do you install the blade from the bottom (sole)? Installing from the top can damage the burr

Re: Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

an Clermont in Burnaby

>I'll try a couple more things over the next couple of days to make sure I am not screwing up.

If I still have problems I'll call the Vancouver or Coquitlam store and ask for someone who uses one on a regular basis.

COuld it be I am expecting to much with this little beast? I am using it on Quilted Hard Maple which is extremely dense. I thought that it was designed for this but maybe it is too much for it and the blade chatters.

Dan C

Re: Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

an Clermont in Burnaby

>Hi Tim,

Good One! You had me going for a second and I had to quickly look over the instruction sheet and make sure I was putting the blade in the right direction. Thanks for mentioning it.

Dan C

Re: Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

an Clermont in Burnaby

>Hi Jim,

I tned to drop the blade in form the bottom and then set the plane on my bench. I then lightly push down on the blade and then tighten the set swrews untill the blade is tight. I then use the thumbscrew to give the blade a slight bend and ten let the plane chatter away taking a 1" saving for every 12" I push it. I know the blade is making contact cause it makes more noise then my router.

Dan C

Re: Dumb question

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

>Never a dumb question Jim. The Veritas has the unique feature of having two bevels on one blade. It's a selling point. Often wondered about how the unused bevel survives when getting pushed up past the set screw bar but so far I haven't used it enough to have a need to flip the blade around.

Yes, I have tried pushing the sharpened blade up from the bottom so as not to damage the bur. But thanks for mentioning it.

Dan Clermont

Re: Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

Jim in Burlington Ontario

>I see you mentioned that the blade is chattering that's a sure sign of you have set it to deep. I used to set it up on my bench and had the same problem that's why I switched to a piece of glass. I mostly use it on tiger maple and cherry.

Re: Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

>Hi Jim,

Do you get chatter when you scrape end grain on hard Tiger Maple or do you get whispy shavings?

I know realistically you wouldn't normally scrpae end grain but if you are working tearout around a knot that would be the closest example?

Like a plane chatter is created by trying to take to big of a bite or a dull blade and I have tried to take less of a bite by backing off the thumbscrew.

I suspect the Scraper is not holding an edge on the high figured woods but the tests I will do on Thursday should help figure that out.

Thanks,

Dan Clermont

Re: Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

Jim in Burlington Ontario

>I used to when I encountered a nasty section or knot use a hand scraper that was super sharp and always ended up making little indentations lately I have just left those few little spots. I have scraped end grain with the LV Scraper plane but not the 80 it's to big for me to control. I have some serious doubts that the blades that LV sells are the best but have been unable to find anything else that will replace them. You mention Bahco scrapers and they are near and dear to my heart but neck problems make my hands go numb and hand scraping seems to make it worse. I like to use as little thumb screw to start as possible advancing it as the blade dull's. I usually dress both sides and put painters tape on the side not in use. I was wasting to much time fiddling around so I bought 2 extra blades to keep the flow of work. I went so far as to flatten the sole of the scraper with 1200 hundred wet dry and waxed it good.

Re: Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

paul womack

>...blade chatters

I don't know what else is going on, but chatter in a #80 (I have an old Stanley #80) means too much blade showing.

Whereas a card scraper is self-regulating for depth of cut, a scraper plane isn't.

BugBear

Re: Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

Rob Lee

>Dan -

I haven't had any problems with it in hard maple...

Try setting the blade flush with the sole, and then bowing it to project the blade...

Cheers -

Rob

Re: Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

Ernie Miller Topeka

>Now Now Now let's not get hasty. This is a quality hand tool and needs to be treated with a little respect. I have the stanly and think it does a good job but I also Have the LV scraper plane and that is my go to now days but I still pull out the 80 for some jobs I would keep at it as it is a good plane

Re: Veritas Cabinet Scraper (the 80 version)

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

>Hi Ernie,

I just finished a highly figured closet organizer which was extremely challening and took me about a year to build. I did all of the dimensioning with handtools and was able to keep the tearout minimized by using a Bedrock 604 1/2 with a LN chipbreaker and Anton Berg blade and I also used a LN Low Angle jack.

The goal was not to sand or to polish sand with 600 grit just to remove any inconsistencies with the blade sharpness. I have tried off an on to use the Veritas Cabinet scraper but it never did the job and last weekend I wanted to get the project done so I tried dearly to make the Veritas #80 scraper take care of the tearout issues and it failed miserably.

I have spent some time tuning it and it is taking shavings on some woods but others it makes an awful noise and does nothing.

When things slowdown around the house I will go down to a Lee Valley store (probably Coquitlam cause it has a Tim Horton's across the street) and see if my expectations are too high for this plane.

In all fairness to Rob Lee and Lee Valley tools I spend all of my woodworking dollars at their stores and am known at both stores bymost employees (I don;t know if that is a good thing)

When it comes to planes I haven't been convinced the Veritas planes are in the same ballpark as the Lie Nielsen's and to this day if I buy new I buy LN or I buy old Bedrock's/ Bailey's cause I don't want to buy a Veritas plane and return it cause I am not happy with it and those woodworkers that I know that own LN's swear by them.

I do hope the Veritas Scraper does work out and I am able to make it work better but I suspect the blade cannot handle the woods I am dealing with. It was a gift from my wife and it would bother me dearly to return it.

Dan Clermont