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David Miller from Iowa

>How does one tactfully communicate to their friends NOT to buy used tools for me? Now don�t get me wrong, I like to receive free tools, I just don�t want my friends laying out cash for stuff when they are not qualified to know if they are getting any value.

Now, a number of my friends have generously picked up some very nice tools for me over the years, but they were usually things from their family that they knew I would appreciate or they paid so close to nothing that it was worth the gamble.

The problem started about 15 years ago, my ex bought me a bullnose plane she thought I�d like � got it from an antique store and paid about $100 for it. Unfortunately it was a #191 that had been busted in half and somebody made it into a chisel plane the likes of which we have seen on some recent ebay postings.

More recently, my well meaning SO gave me a plane she got at a flea market � a busted #220. I hope she didn�t overpay for it, but $1 would have been too much. I think I broke her from buying used, as she did come through with a choice item from the Lie Nielsen catalogue that I had circled and conspicuously left lying around.

The catalyst for today�s rant is a neighbor and friend who just came over and handed me a #3 that was rusted into a solid block. Said he picked it up at a garage sale this morning and if I would spot him the $20 he spent, he�d be glad to keep on the lookout for other bargains. I mentioned to him that we both have cell phones and maybe he should call me when he finds something he thinks I�d like. He was disappointed.

So, my friends in etiquette land, what would be the best way to let people know how not to do this?

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Bob Hackett

>The cell phone is a good answer but then you`ll be stuck with a non-savy individual on the other end trying to describe something they know nothing about.The neighbor did think the rusted lump was worth $20,after all.

Either educate these folks or just tell them to provide directions so you can see for yourself.

I have afew books that I loan from my library to folks like these.The down side is that once they become educated they start keeping the tools for themselves.At least they let my borrow them,that way they`re sharp when they come back.:^)

Mainely,Bob

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Dan Moening in Sacramento

>hmmm. What's your definition of "friend"? ;-)

How can I put this politely?

None of my friends would buy a "thoughtful" "gift" then expect me to pay for it. They would either buy it and present it to me gratis, or tell of the opportunity they saw. We frequently "get the tab" for each other and at the end of the year its all pretty much a wash.

Perhaps, a bit of education in terms of usability would go far? i.e. no broken parts, working adjusters, heavy rust=pitting, etc.

I think a cellphone call would be entirely appropriate and useful here.

Dan.

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Todd Hughes

>I have the same problim allot.With friends I try to give them the 5 cent lecture on buying tools, If the plane or saw is clean and looks good ....and cheap buy it.If you can read something on the saw blade and it is cheap buy it.If it looks old and is in good condition...and cheap buy it. If different and in good condition...and cheap buy it. Trend here is Condition and being Cheap you notice

Still not failsafe , once had two gal friends buy me two identical hammers seperatly with in a day of each other.They were one of these hammers that had plastic rubber faces and both were missing the faces leaving them looking a little different and they know I want "different" hammers. Don't know what the chances of that is but a year later my mother found one for me too!I just paid them [$2-$5] thanked them and told them i don't need any more like this and when out of sight tossed them in the trash.I don't want to discourage them looking for stuff for me because i do get some good stuff like this so a few bucks wasted here and there is worth it to me. Same at the flea market where people often have tools for me.While I am not going to buy everything they bring out for me I often might pay a little bit more or buy somthing I might not normaly because I don't want them to stop looking out for me. This has really worked out for me I think giving me a reputation as a "Buyer" and not a looker or a guy that haggles on prices........Todd

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Frank Mutchler

>Hi, David. It looks to me like the neighbor thought he was doing you a favor and figured you'd be tickled pink to give him the $20 he laid out 'on your behalf' for such a rare antique. I'd give him the $20 because his motivation was correct and then explain the facts of life to him. I'd tell him that in the future I'd like to be told if he thinks there is something that might interest me and that I would want to inspect the item prior to purchase.

Just yesterday I threw away about 50 twist drills banded together in a nice little package. My wife found them at a garage sale and paid $5 for them.....she was quite proud of herself and I basically thanked her and explained some things about the drill bits I use. A hug, some joking comments and all's well with LOL. Might want to substitute a pat on the back for your neighbor ;>)

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Ernie Miller Topeka

>I guess you have some educating to do. I let people know I am a bottom feeder and if it is over $10 it had better be realy differant or really nice. I can usualy break even on any thing it just takes some work some times.

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Jim in Burlington Ont.

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Jim in Burlington Ontario

>If it comes from the current love of your life just smile and say thanks everyone else tell them it's far more complicated but if they are interested you'll give them a list of websites and books to look at.

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Alan Hamilton

>David,

As far as your neighbor goes, I would think not giving him the twenty dollars would cure him.

A frank discussion with close friends and family will not usually lead to hard feelings. If they really want to please you they will welcome knowing what does not. It makes their gift buying easier, and you won't have to think up something nice to say about a useless gift.

Alan

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Clay C in Miami

>If your garbage hasn't been picked up yet (and they weren't a block of rust), I'll buy those twist bits from you!

Clay

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