OK, I'm a Collector.

Re: OK, I'm a Collector.

Ernie Miller Topeka

>I'll buy the 605 I collect hang holes. IS ebay an indication of fair market value??? I don't think so some of the stuff is and does bring out the big collectors but most of the stuff is of user grade. as in all things when determining value you must take condition into account. that hang hole takes 20% off the value of you 605. if every thing else is cherry them the value might come up a little. True value is what a certin person is willing to purchase or sell an item for at a specific period in time. ebay is all over the place because there are a fair # of people who don't know what somthing is worth get two of them going against each other and look out. If there are only collectors who only buy pristine items and a bottom feeding user can pick up some nice stuff cheap.

Re: OK, I'm a Collector.

Tony Z.

>Ebay possibly could be an indication of "fair value", however, without a consistency in how items are graded in the market, then it can only be a guideline. I have bought a number of items on Ebay--old tools and civil war & civil war veteran memoribilia, and the only consistency I've found is no consistency from seller to seller in describing their goods! It's buyer beware! With that said, I will add that I have purchased some items that should have brought five times what I paid, and I have purchased some not worth a fraction of the cost.

Re: OK, I'm a Collector.

Roger Nixon

>1. The workpiece won't mind the hanghole if you don't. You can pay less for a plane with a hanghole but it will also sell for less so it depends which side of the equation you're on.

2. If you use the saw a couple of times, it's worth $6.

3. Nope, not even NIB.

4. Beats me. I once sold 2 #40's, one in Good+ shape, the other Fine with a full decal on the handle. Guess which one sold for $35 more?

5. See above. A lot of eBay is timing (someone needs something NOW) and it is seasonal. Summertime is a good time to buy, lousy to sell as far as common items. Some items sell well anytime.

Think of yourself as a sorta saint to the infirm.

WoodburnBob

>Here are my extremely biased answers for what it's worth...nothing.

Hole in 605: Huge bargain for users.

Go wrong paying $6 for a Disston saw: Yes, most of the time.

Is a KK5 Keen Kutter ever worth $90?: Never

Value...a partial decal: Goose egg

Does e-bay reflect fair market value? Ebay is the market, national and global. In that context, other venues offer better and worse features that either save you money or cost you money. If you must handle something before you buy it, or buy only from guaranteed dealers and the like, you will pay for that choice and severely limit the universe of tools available to you.

Re: KK5

Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI

>Keen Kutter planes at one time I think had frogs similar to the Bedrock frog, and a KK5 with that frog in good+ condition (note, this is not cleaned up condition; it would have a little rust, maybe some dings on the wood, and 90 percent jappanning with all parts there and working) I think is worth the $90, especially if you plan on hanging onto it for a while. They're not making them any more. I picked up a KK7 with the bailey type frog and broken lever cap for $20.

A partial decal on the handle would only be one indication of the condition of a plane, and would not have much impact by itself, although it certainly makes it more appealing if the rest of the plane is also in great condition.

I think if you could grade conditions on Ebay and average the selling prices it would be a fair indication of value. I usually search an item, say "Stanley 603 plane" in completed items with "highest prices listed first", sorting by price, and gives me a pretty good idea pretty quick of how price is affected by condition, and what they are selling for in general.

Re: KK5

Roger Nixon

>The K series were type 4 Bed Rocks. The KK series were made by a variety of manufacturers, especially Sargent & Ohio.

Re: OK, I'm a Collector.

Roy from Cincy

>Never be a collector. Proudly call yourself a user! Of course, I did spend the last three nights scouring E-bay for that perfect draw knife to replace the two that I already have, because they aren't QUITE good enough. And the three planes that I bought over the past month or so, well I needed them for the projects I'm planning to do. Just as soon as I get another marker that works really, really well.

Indeed *LINK*

WoodburnBob

>Here's what the market says a KK5, said to have been made by Ohio, is worth today.


Ebay KK5

Hang holes

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>Ernie,

I've got a whole box full of hang holes to offer you - all you need to do is apply them to tools, and Bob's your uncle. I'll let you have them at the bargain price of $1 a pound. Let me know if you're interested.

Bill, visions of new LN and LV tools (and a set of those lovely Ashley Iles chisels) running through his head...

Re: Cleaning planes

Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI

>Cleaning up a plane like this really lowers the value. You can easily see by the bad pitting on the sole that the plane was most likely very rusty at one time, and the very bright corners on the sides also show sides of cleaning. The pitting on the sole makes it a good- or poor condition plane, depending on how much cleaning is evident in close inspection. A pretty nice plane for a user, and to me looks like someone got a pretty good deal there.

Re: OK, I'm a Collector.

Todd Hughes

>I think there is more to being a "collector" then just buying a number of tools.What seperates an "Accumulater" from a collector is that a collector spends as much time and energy to find out about and know what he is collecting as he does looking for it. A "User" is normaly I think only interested in what the tool can do and is not really interested in the tool it self and often doesn't know much about it other then how it works,[if that!]. It isn't the tool that he is really interested in but the end results it produces.....Of course there is often some overlapping with many tool users / collectors but for some reason many tool owners seem to take great offence to be thought of as being a dreaded "collector"...They might have 10 No. 4 Stanley planes but because they used one a couple months ago they want to be known as a "user"...Yea OK Sure

Don't know how Ebay Couldn't be thought of as NOT being a good indication of what the fair market vaule of a tool is. Do some things sell for to much because a couple guys go head to head...sure! Do some things slip by and go to cheap, ...Maybe... But with such a large number of tools being sold and the number of people buying them I think on the whole it tells what something is "Worth" if it is sold on a world wide market. Might not tell what a tool is worth at the market you live in , for example even in the old tool hell I live in a common Disston Saw in Good condition would be overpriced at $6 [I would pass on it]. These things can often be bought here for $1-$3 but on Ebay it probably would sell for more then the $6........Todd

Re: Hang holes

Bob Hutchins in central Texas

>Howdy Bill,

You apparently haven't heard about the latest research from the AIHT (Advanced Institute of Hole Theory). They've discovered that holes have negative gravity; so I guess you'll be paying this feller from the Ozarks for those holes, huh?

BobH

Re: Hang holes

Ernie Miller Topeka

>First of all bob a hole is a space in time and matter occupied by the lack of material that the object is made from. SO please submerge all my holes in gold for safe shipping and I would gladly pay you $1 per pound. Ozarks! how the hell did I end up there! I think somthing has gone arye and I have collected one to many holes. I feal a bad moon riseing.

Re: OK, I'm a Collector.

LEN K.

>MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING BUT WHAT PURPOSE DOES A FINE OLD TOOL HAVE IF IT SETS IN A DISPLAY CABINET OR ON A SHELF? WHEN PEOPLE PAY BIG BUCKS FOR A NO.2 BEDROCK AREN'T THEY BUYING THE PERFORMANCE OF THE TOOL THAT GAVE IT THE REPUTATION IT HAS TODAY.I KNOW GUYS THAT SWEAR BY ENGLISH SMOOTHING PLANES AS THE BEST EVER MADE BECAUSE THEY HAVE USED THEM NOT BECAUSE THEY SAW THEM SETTING IN A COLLECTION.I ALSO REALIZE SOME THING CAN BE SO RARE AS TO MAKE IT PRICELESS AND THESE DO BELONG IN A MUSEUM,BUT I THINK WE ALL BAY A BIT TO MUCH FOR TOOLS THAT GAIN WORTH BECAUSE COLLECTORS SELL THEM BACK AND FORTH AND TELL US HOW RARE AND WONDERFUL THESE TOOLS ARE,SO I THINK YOU GET WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR IN WHAT YOU BUY BUT MORE BECAUSE OF WHY YOU DESIRE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.IF THAT DISSTON 6 DOLLAR SAW PERFORMS UP TO YOUR EXPECTATIONS THAN IT WAS WORTH EVERY PENNY.

Re: OK, I'm a Collector.

Joe Rogers, Northern Virginia

>Len,I have to agree with most of your post but if I may speak for a majority of the posters here...it is sort of regarded on the various fora that caps lock is like shouting and irritates some readers.

Welcome to Wood Central and thanks for adding to the thread.JR

Re: OK, I'm a Collector.

Todd Hughes

>Well i think often the high price for a "collectable" plane like say a no. 2 size Bedrock,[which would be a no. 602 Bedrock] is reflected in not how well it performed originaly but actually it is the exact oppesite, it is because it was never a popular plane otherwise it would be very common....and cheap today.Users often blame collectors because they can't get a nice common Bedrock plane for $25 but truth be known the vast majority of Bedrocks are being sold to not collectors that won't use them but to users who are buying them to use and are not to cheap to pay what the market will bring.

You do seem to prove my point that pure users are more concerned only about the results the tool produces and not the tool itself which they often do not even know much about.

To a collector the purpose of what they collect goes past just the use of the item.I collect US Military Rifles and get enjoyment out of owning them yet have no desire to use them for what they originaly was made for and it is the same thing with most of the tools i collect.To me the tools have progressed past just things to produce an end but are the end in thierselves.....Todd

Re: OK, I'm a Collector.

Alan Hamilton

>Len,

Please don't use all capital letters in your posts. I have very poor eyesight, and for some reason an all capitals post is much more difficult for me to read--almost impossible. Not only that, but the custom on the net is to reserve all capital letters for SHOUTING!!

Thanks,

Alan