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Plane sole flattening

joel

>In the past I have been an advocate of scraping a sole of a plane to surface plane but frankly it's time consuming and too finiky for me.

Lapping the entire surface of a plane always runs the risk of getting a convex surface, expceailly from side to side and I have seen that problem more often than not.

My heavy glass surface plate got broken when moved.

anyway for these reasons I have been experimenting with

"the silly way of flattening a plane"

and in the two planes I have done it too it seems to work rediculously easy with no special tools or jigs.

basically here's the method.

1) retract blade a little.

2) wipe off plane sole

3) wipe of straightedge

4) hold plane up to light and note gaps. Check serval places, also from left to right in several places. get a sense of what needs to be done.

5) cradle plane in lap.

6) with small squares of sandpaper - sometimes using a backing block, sometimes not, sand away the high spots. around the mouth use a backing block to make sure you don't round out the leading edge of the mouth (very important)

I've been using 220 grit 3X paper because I have some - I might try 180 then follow up with 220

7) repeat steps 2-6 until the plane is flat enough for you.

clean plane properly - metal grit with get in the mouth and you want to shake it out so it doesn't contaminate the straightedge readings and also when you try the plane after you are done you don't want metal filings on the work.

Elapsed time to do a pretty decent #4 to very ver decent - 15 mintes including setup time (tearing sandpaper to 2" squares).

Anyway - I haven't done a long plane like this yet. I don't know if I can get a plane surface grinder perfect but it seems to be very easy to do, imporvie performance a lot, and best of all not require any real effot to built jigs or setups. If I didn't have an 18: straightedge I Would use a starrett rule from a combination square (check for burrs first).

Anyway - it's very similar to bugbear's method, only with sandpaper, althought files would work faster with a more difficult case. A straightedge seems to work fine over a surface plate and it's easier and more accessible. Snadpaper is very forgiving.

I haven't tried this on a plane that is way way out - maybe .005" but I thought I'd toss out the method because it seems to work and with somefeed back I am sure we can arrive at a conclusion on how the idea rates and if anyone can suggest improvements of fatal flaws.

One of the main appeals for me is that it doesn't require special equipment and it's easy to teach. I think a straightedge will give a perfectly descent measurement of flatness provided you check in a bunch of places on the sole. but of course I haven't tried a long plane yet so I don't know what heppens with that.

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Roger Nixon

>Very similar to what I do (most of which I learned from bugbear). I use a cheap granite surface plate and blue to locate the high spots but I use various abrasives to take off the high spots as you do.

Very quick and easy. It takes me more than 15 minutes but usually less than an hour.


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joel

>The probelm I was having is that with a convex plane (in either dimnesion) the surface plate was giving me false readings, so I started using a straightedge, then I found I stopped using the straightedge. THe minute I stopped using a surface plane everything went faster.

I'm too lazy to make a jig for holding the plane - although I like the simplicity of yours.

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Roger Nixon

>I haven't tried to flatten a convex plane but I can see your point. I don't use the jig anymore. I found it was easier to hold the plane and sand like you do. The ones I flattened didn't need much metal removed so I didn't need to file.

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Tom Wolf

>Anyone have any technical information on the actual filing of the plane bottom? (ie. which edge of file to use, how to hold the file, etc..)

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paul womack

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4) hold plane up to light and note gaps. Check several places, also from left to right in several places. get a sense of what needs to be done.

I would be very nervous of trying to accurately evaluate a complex 2D "error" with a 1D reference. It is possible, but it is extremely difficult, especially w.r.t twist.

6) with small squares of sandpaper - sometimes using a backing block, sometimes not, sand away the high spots. around the mouth use a backing block to make sure you don't round out the leading edge of the mouth (very important)

I once used sandpaper as the metal removal method. I made a range of 1" square backing blocks with varying degrees of "camber", from 1/16" to flat.

I used long narrow (1") strips of abrasive, so that I could easily rotate to a fresh piece. The abrasive clogs very quickly when you're spotting with greasy blue.

This allowed the all important localised removal of metal. I found it VERY difficult not to round over near edges, and also got bad finger numbness (too 4 days to get my sense of touch back).

The process did leave a better surface quality than filing; I tend to get the odd (accidental) deep scratch when filing, which I'm too lazy to remove.

BugBear

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joel

>---4) hold plane up to light and note gaps. Check several places, also from left to right in several places. get a sense of what needs to be done.

I would be very nervous of trying to accurately evaluate a complex 2D "error" with a 1D reference. It is possible, but it is extremely difficult, especially w.r.t twist.

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good point - with diagonal checking you can do it, but this is a weakness, just as a convexity is a weakness with a surface plane. In the hands of an experinece person neither method is difficult but for a beginner both methods have weaknesses.

-The abrasive clogs very quickly when you're spotting with greasy blue. -

not an issue if you don't use the blue.

-This allowed the all important localised removal of metal. I found it VERY difficult not to round over near edges, and also got bad finger numbness (too 4 days to get my sense of touch back). -

haen't seen this but I think that you were dealing with a plane far more out of flat than mine - in which case the file method has serious advantages. also you need coarse sandpaper for the stuff to go fast.

I notice that Roger ended up with a procedure similar to mine sort of for the same reasons - dropping steps that seemed cumbersome. One other suggestion of clamping two files together to get a bulge is very good.

I can scrape a plane that is pretty far out to a surface plate in about an hour or so. Filing speeds things up too. But both require more attention to detail and cleanliness than I like. What impresses me about this method is speed and lack of equiment and setup time. If you have a plane that is seriously out then sanding might be problematic. but I was seriously impressed on how quick and easy it was to get a slightly out plane to darn good.

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Roger Nixon

>As you said, on a plane sole that is close, hand sanding is very quick and easy. After I got plane soles close with the abrasive on glass, the hand sanding probably took about 15- 20 minutes.

The prussian blue/baby oil wasn't bad about clogging 120 grit and a shot of WD-40 would get rid of the build up.

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paul womack

>...The prussian blue/baby oil...

Roger - I read recently (I can't remember where) an explicit warning about thin spotting compound.

It said not to make your spotting compound too liquid, because capilliary action would then give false/deceptive readings.

Makes sense once it's pointed out.

I just spread my blue very thin with the end of a tightly rolled (and tied) piece of cloth.

BugBear

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Roger Nixon

>Thanks for the heads up. I'll watch for that.

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