Do you beleive this? *LINK*

Re: Do you beleive this?

paul womack

>He says: "There are the marks and wear consistent with a hard working life, and some surface corrosion in places."

He also says: "This plane has seen very little use in the last 50 years, shavings and wooddust have been cleaned out and it's been wiped with a dry rag"

So I think (in total) he's saying it hard a hard life, and then wasn't used for 50 years. Seems about right to me.

BugBear

Yes I do

Todd Hughes

>I think you need to read the description a little better again. The sellers clearly says in it that"...there are marks and wear consistant with a hard working life and some corrosion in places..." Doesn't sound like he said the plane was only driven to "church on sunday"...I think when he says the plane has seen "very little wear in the last 50 years ",which I would bet is true, on a plane that is much older then 50 years he is saying that the plane has sat unmessed with since it's original working life and this is consistant with his emphisis that the plane is all original etc.

While i would have described it a little different [and better] pointing out some of it's defects and strenghts in more detail i can't really say from what I know that his description was bogus....Think of it as selling your Grandpa Model T where you said it has a dent on the front fender from when he hit a cow in 1930 but also that the car has sat in a barn undriven since 1950........Todd

Re: Yes I do

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>I don't mean to be nitpicky, but there seems to be a few things about this auction that are bothering me. First, the seller says

"There are the marks and wear consistent with a hard working life, and some surface corrosion in places."

Ther are three areas where the hand contacts the plane. Two of these show wear (the front bun and below the blade) but the third area, the rear handle, does not have the finish worn off like the other two areas. I do see the typical dings to the wooden parts. The surface corrosion does not appear to be corrosion, but instead pitting. The surface area appears to be cleaned.

"The highly attractive circular patina finish on the outer steel is still clearly visible, I have seen some of these planes with it totally removed to "look" better!"

I don't see any patina at all. What I see is pitting. The picture of the plane on it's side reflects what looks like a scratch pattern from a wire wheel. This might explain this "highly attractive circular" pattern which could not be confused with patina.

Excepting the replacement blade, this plane would better fit the description "marks and wear consistent with a hard working life"

Uh...circular patina??

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>This scratch pattern does not look original to this plane to me.

Engined turned Norrises

Alister

>The pattern is engine turning and was done to some late model norrises the wood is stained beech I think.....

These are butt ugly to my eye.....but not unoriginal.

Did a quick google search on "Engined turned Norris"and got a bunch of hits.

Photo is from oldtools.com

Umm Jonathan....

Angelo in Cornwall, NY

>Look in that picture you attached. The rear tote, under the blade hasits finish worn off, just where you'd expect it to be. Let it go.

Re: Yes I do

Todd Hughes

>I have to confess I can't see by the sellers photos,[which could be better] what the condition of the finish is on the wood or if the metal just has surface rust or if it is pitted.This would be a good example of if you are interested in the plane to email the seller and ask him these questions.It does seem from the photos that Alistor posted that some of these planes did have this "jeweleing" [think that is what it is called] done to thier sides and this is original. I would have described the plane better myself so that none of this was left open to speculation but I don't think that the seller has given the impression that the plane has seen almost no use,["driven to church on sunday only"] indeed he doesn't even say the plane is in excellent or even very good condition but instead that it has seen a hard life and has corrosion etc.

All this is a good example of if you sell on Ebay you have to describe EVERYTHING at least once and in detail if you do not want potential bidders to take things the wrong way ......Todd

Re: Umm Jonathan....

Jonathan Peck -N.Y.

>Hi Angelo,

That picture is of a different plane. Notice that it doesn't have the swirly finish pattern on the sidewall of the first plane and exhibits what I would deem a normal wear pattern, including wearing of the rear handle.

While the first plane did not show the wear of the finish to the handle, what was really bothering me was the swirly scratch pattern. Now that that's been explained as an original "Engined turned Norris" finish, things make alot more sense to me. I'm glad I asked the question, but in retrospect, in my haste today, I should have phrased it more as a question than a slam.

Regards

Jonathan

Yep - original finish

Andrew F in Australia

>The circular patterns are on later model Norris planes - I've seen a few with it - it's a factory finish.

Andrew

Re: jargon  *LINK*

paul womack

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http://w3.uwyo.edu/~metal/eturn.html

Re: Yes I do

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>Hi Todd,

The last thing I need is another infill...really. I probably need one less than I already have. The good news is that these classic old tools don't lose their value, and the Spiers panel plane I have, but don't really need/use, is probably worth a good deal more than I paid for it - that is if there is a buyer who would value a cast Spiers plane in very good condition.

My other infill, coincidently, is also a cast Spiers. This little coffin smoother, is a gem. Evidently, previous owners would agree to this as the blade is worn down to the slot, but should provide dozens of sharpenings before it needs to be replaced. This one will follow me to the grave, and it's so small, it's just plain cute.

I have a Shepherd A6 replica which I got because I thought I would like the adjuster. Even with the improvements made by Shepherd to this device, I just don't like it. I would probably take it out if I was sure that I was going to keep this plane. Nothing against the Shepherd tool co., I'm just finding the adjuster an unneccessary improvement that annoys me more that it helps me. Hmmmm...seems thousands of adjusterers out there would dissagree with me as Norris built a company around this simple device.

While I enjoy these planes, if I was doing this for a living, i'm thinking I could produce similar results from any particular brand of smoother and a scraper. Lets just say the wood don't know the difference.