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Speaking of electrolysis...

David Charters from Durham NC

>There has been mention here and there about using electrolysis on old tools to strip rust or something. I have a few new old tools that I'd like to clean up somewhat, so I was wondering what all this fuss about electrolysis is all about and how do I go about it. Do I just plug in a power cord, strip the wires, and stick them in a bucket of water with the tool? (Just kidding).

Oh, I guess I should add this disclaimer:

I have no freakin' idea what I'm doing. I am not a master woodworker, not even a master sawdust and firewood maker. Any advise you think you read from this is an illusion, beware! If my post has driven you to drink, please do so responsibly and do not drive or operate heavy (or light) machinery.

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Look here *LINK*

Dan Donaldson

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It should tell you what you need to know.


Electrolysis for rusty tools

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Rust remova FAQ  *LINK*

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

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Rust removal FAQ

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Rust reduction electrolysis setup  *LINK*

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

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Rust reduction electrolysis setup

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A primer on rust  *LINK*

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

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A primer on rust

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L. Hanson - N. Idaho

>Once you've read the articles, sometimes a picture can help to see what it is you're up to. Here is the setup I use to remove rust from a hand saw - the water in the bucket is using about a tablespoon per gallon of the pictured washing soda. It's explained a little better in the link below, but the articles mentioned here by other posters are undoubtedly better technically than what I've written.

HTH

L. Hanson

www.norsewoodsmith.com


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Restoring an old hand saw

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electrolysis side benefit

Joe Hurst

>Since I presently have a #608 "in the tub," I thought I'd toss in my 2 cents.

I was delighted to discover that the process is knocking off nearly all of the silver spray paint that the previous owner used to mark his tools. The japaning does not seem to be affected by the bath.

Since this is a self-limiting reaction, my advice is to walk away...a watched plane never looses rust. When you return a few hours, or the next day, you'll be amazed at the results!

-Joe

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One caveat

Neal (San Jose)

>I did the "walk away" trick once - forgot I had a nice Ohio Tool #5 with the brick colored japanning in the soup. Next morning all the japanning was M.I.A. along with the rust. I've done other red Ohios with no loss to the japanning when I've limited the time to 30 minutes or so. That may not be a problem with black japanning, but be aware.

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Todd O. Cronkhite Native of Maine

>Neal,

you are correct, 30 minutes at a time is suffecient. When I first starting "zapping" I had a particularily badly rusted tool so I left it in the bucket for 3 hours, took it out, rinsed it with boiling water, cleaned it, and dang if I didn't have to put it in again for more zapping. that is the way that I discovered that 30 minutes and 3 hours is the same thing. I'd never, never, never, in my wildest dreams leace a tool in overnight. 30 minutes, up to an hour MAX at a time is my advice.

Todd O.

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Gawd it took me a while...

Tony Shaftel

>...to locate sodium carbonate (aka washing soda, soda ash) for the electrolyte solution. Not sold in the cleaning products section of any stores around here, and you don't want to pay shipping to get a 2 lb box of Arm & Hammer washing soda from some boutique alternative products website. Finally I found a page that mentioned pool supply stores. Yup, it's sold to increase alkalinity in pools, as Soda Ash. 100% sodium carbonate.

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Re: Gawd it took me a while...

Don Thompson, Cutler Ridge, South of Miami FL

>I am surprised that you could not find washing soda in the laundry detergent section of a supermarket in north america. A typical box looks like the one in L. Hanson's post above. The pool supplies outlets will probably want to sell you a huge bucketful, right?

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3 hours isn't equal to 30 min.

Joe Hurst

>Todd-

I can't say that I was able to conduct the most scientific of experiments, but I since I was zapping these specimens at work, and was able to check their progress every hour or so, I think I was able to make some reasonable conclusions.

For starters, for badly rusted tools, 30 minutes isn't the same as 3 hours. Especially if your battery charger has a low and high setting (I used "low"). I noticed some bubbles, but little rust removal for at least an hour.

In particular, the frog and body required about 8 hours to look decent. In both cases, I'd visit the tub every 2 hours, rinse off some of the black oxidation, and then turn the piece so that the rustier side would face the anode.

The corrugations added up to a lot of surface area, and a lot of crannies that I didn't want to scrub. Instead, I left the body in the tub overnight. It worked quite well.

Electrolysis is a self-limiting process. Once the rust is gone, the process stops. If the process has stopped, the japanning is no longer in danger...at least no more than it was when the surrounding rusted metal was bubbling for the first two or three hours.

Of course, this is just my two cents. So much depends upon the tool (is it japanning, or was it painted? has the rust worked it's way under the nickel plating, etc.?). And you should consider the collector value of the tool (a 603 deserves more attention than a Craftsman #4). And since you are producing hydrogen, I wouldn't suggest zapping a hunk of rust, and leaving it to cook in an unventilated basement or gargage. Odds are nothing would happen, but there's no point in risking it.

As a conscientious user, I've found that even leaving bare metal parts (screws, threaded rods) in the bath over a weekend is still easier on the pieces than cleaning them with emory paper or navel jelly.

-J

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