OT woodworking or a political campaign?

Re: OT woodworking or a political campaign?

CONGER - The Irish diaspora in Munich

>Maybe it would be better Adam, if you stopped trying to re-arrange the dust. If things really get out of hand, then I am sure the natural rules (boredom, disgust etc...) and / or the moderator's good sense will take the upper hand.

-g-

Re: OT woodworking or a political campaign?

Todd Stock

>Adam:

We have a broad spectrum of posters here, and an equally broad set of concepts as to what constitutes acceptable behavior.

Folks parachuting out of the Rec are pretty much spring-loaded to not only defend their views, but to attack those of the attacker. On the other extreme are the ex-Ponders that are afraid of getting booted for minor infractions against decency like wearing black socks with Bermuda shorts or misspelling Frank Klausz's name.

From what I've seen, one man's mild jest might just be another's stinging insult, so while I agree with you in principle, I'm not certain whether places like WC are not better served by allowing some give and take, while encouraging those easily offended to move on, take a break, or beg, borrow, or steal a copy of HOW NOT TO TAKE YOURSELF SO DARNED SERIOUSLY.

Other than that, let's keep in mind that all of us were newbies once.

Except for me, of course.

Todd

Re: OT woodworking or a political campaign?

Jonathan Peck -N.Y.

>There have been three times in my life that I have been dead serious. The first I said I do, the second, I was counting fingers and toes on my newborn daughter, the third for my son. If you add my country, you have the only four things that are really worth fighting for. All the rest is loose change...Brother can you spare a dime

Re: OT woodworking or a political campaign?

Ernie Miller topeka

>I scrolled down quite aways and didn't find any thing unaproperate other than that one thread and it wasn't totaly just one persons openion that you and othere may have considered wrong but I didn't waist much time reading most of it. It's nice to be reminded every once in awile to play nice. I like some of the OT or I scrole past it. you can do the same.

Re: OT woodworking or a political campaign?

Adam Cherubini, NJ

>Sorry Conger,

Your post is a good example of what I'm talking about. The first sentence implies that I'm trying to control someone or something, or stir the pot. Though I might take offense at it (I don't) there's no reason for me to respond to it. Its really not relevant to this discussion, though I think I get your point.

The second sentence is where the topic is. You seem to be advocating laissez faire. "Faire" enough with me. I'm not looking to intervene. I'm just asking the question and offering what I think is constructive criticism.

It looks to me as though there is a lot of personal content in recent posts; more like a hen house, than a woodshop. That's just my observation. I'm wondering if anyone else is noticing or cares. Sounds like you don't and that's okay. It just seems so uneccessary. Sorry if that makes me seem like a control freak.

Thanks for your consideration, Conger and others.

TschuB Conger

Adam

What that button is for

Bob Hackett

>If you don`t like getting along with others then take it back to the rec.

If you don`t like the topic just scroll down till you find one you like.

If it`s a full moon here,there may be a new moon on The Porch,or Traditional Tools,etc.

If folks don`t have enough sense to take it offline and not battle it out in public there`s not much any of us can do here to make them behave.That`s the moderator`s thankless job.

A change of scenery and mood is only a click away,there`s only one person who has control of that button.That person would be you.

Mainely,Bob-Wondering what this has to do with WWing?

BTW-I do wish those folks with no sense of humor would build a bridge and just get over it.In our case PC does NOT stand for politicly correct and hopefully never will.Give it up,won`t ya?

PS-Adam,you need to change your diet.Whatever you`re eating(or is eating you)has made you even more curmudgeonly than usual.(You can`t see me but I`m smiling as I type this)

Re: OT woodworking or a political campaign?

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>I am frequently guilty of taking a thread OT, though I try not to do so with seriously complex subjects or with new visitors, and usually am offering what I hope will be received as humor. And I stop and think before I hit the "post" button; I reject probably a third of my draft posts because I think they aren't worth it after all when I reconsider them. Personally, I think a certain amount of digression from the original topic is part of the flavor of this community, and I don't think the amount of it here is out of line. When I read other fora, I find them going off topic so quickly and thoroughly that I get bored and frustrated, and leave; but I find this group stays on topic better. Still, I wouldn't want to be serious ALL the time; I have to do enough of that at work. And, I've learned a lot from the digressions on this forum (Conger's pictures of hedgehogs and German cities come to mind particularly, but there have been lots of other opportunities to broaden my horizons).

I do agree that civil conversation on this forum includes disagreeing on the basis of the ideas expressed and avoiding attacking people. Mostly, this group does right well. It's a little looser than the Pond, but seems to self-correct by and large when someone gets out of sorts or out of line. I think if we see someone getting too far out of line, it's perfectly OK to bring it up gently - though this obviously has to be done carefully, to avoid seeming to attack.

I don't know that I'd have said it quite so prescriptively, Adam, but I agree that the occasional conversation about our responsibility to each other is not out of line, when the civility starts to drift. My wife has stopped visiting several of her genealogy fora because she was always at risk of getting flamed; I'd hate that to happen here.

Re: WW or fishing?

Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI

>By the time church is out around noon, I will have to have my mind made up whether I work on finishing the last four parts for this kitchen I have almost done, or whether I spend the afternoon fishing. I found a perfect galoot boat motor at a garage sale friday after work, and yesterday I had just enough time to take it out for a spin and make sure it runs; it runs fantastic, an old Evinrude 10 horse, and looks great on my 30 year old fiberglass boat. Now I can be one of those old farts with really good fishing rods and a boat and motor that's almost as old as I am, riding around the lake with a straw hat and perhaps a pipe hanging out of my mouth. Now if I just had Ernie's luck in finding a old lathe and jigsaw I would have the complete set.

Re: OT woodworking or a political campaign?

Todd Stock

>Sure I can spare a dime...will you take a check, or is PayPal better?

Re: OT woodworking or a political campaign?

Charles Self

>The ability to disagree without being offensive to the other party is an art that needs more developing, particularly since, IMO, it is a large part of what being an American is all about. I started to say something about demonizing one's opponents being a recent phenomenon, but I've been reading some material on Reconstruction recently, and by those standards, every bit of our behavior today is exceptionally mild. No horsewhipping. No shooting. No nightriders.

I think reasonably civil discourse, free disagreement, and not insulting the person with whom you are disagreeing can help prevent a return to those wondrous days of yesteryear. Keep it tart but keep it smart.

Fishing

Wiley Horne--Glendora CA

>The finish on the kitchen cabinet parts will look a lot better to you if you do the fishing first.

Wiley

Re: OT woodworking or a political campaign?

Mike G.

>snip.."Keep it tart but keep it smart."

Dang Charles, but you sure can turn a phrase. :)

Mike G.

Re: Fishing

Todd O. Cronkhite Native of Maine

>What kind of fish are you considering going for? Ahhhhhhhhhh boy, what I'd give to go fishing for a fat rainbow brook trout about now. WW can be done anytime, but a chance to go fishing comes along so rarely anymore, that I'd go fishing myself.

Todd O.

Re: OT woodworking or a political campaign?

nhlett

>Well said Charles.

At least every one gets to finish a thought before someone else starts talking.

A few years ago I went to a political forum and quit after a few visits. Those people get down right nasty!

Peter

Re: OT woodworking or a political campaign?

paul womack

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Here's my two cents: I'd like your responses:

Coming right up.

1) Stay on topic

Can't argue too much with that one, although it would seem churlish to ban the occaisional emotional thread (dogs, parents, children, etc.)

2) Don't defend yourself

Can't agree. If someone attacks, they can expect retaliation.

3) If you get a guy's point but don't like how he made it, ZIP IT. Pointing out how un PC or offensive a guy's post was probably won't change anything.

It's is possible (I hope) that someone uses offensive language or phrasing, and is unaware of it. In this case, politely pointing the fact out would appear to do everyone a service.

If you really feel strongly about it, do it privately. That's another reason why we post our e-mail addresses, DEAN. It keeps our message board free of OT baloney.

Privately would probably a good idea - so why the named reference in your post?

4) If you don't agree with somebody, don't make your point by denigrating the guy or challenging his experience. Agree or disagree on the merits. No one here is above question, but no one should be discouraged from stating an opinion, however strongly.

A strongly stated opinion need not be offensively put. If you can''t state a fact without making it sound like a put down, I would suggest some "Use of English" classes.

BugBear, who doesn't like being told to "ZIP IT" by anyone but the moderator and gracious host.

Rainbow Brook Trout?

Don Thompson, Cutler Ridge, South of Miami FL

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Re: How was the fishing?

Ernie Miller Topeka

>You have to hit alot of sales to come up with tools like that and to find two sales that have stuff like that in one weekend is just unheard of. Besides Todd O bought me the lathe Thanks Todd!