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A Visit to Lie-Nielsen Toolworks

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Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

A Visit to Lie-Nielsen Toolworks

Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

>I attended a seminar at Lie-Nielsen Toolworks last weekend. David Charlesworth was the speaker on the topic of advanced hand tool techniques. I found his voice so charming he could have been speaking about gravel production methodology and I�d have been engrossed. Fortunately however he spoke about hand tool related topics like making and using shooting boards, avoiding �spelch� (good word � that�s the breaking loose of the fibers when planning endgrain), techniques for edge jointing narrow work, planning around changing grain direction (for example in flattening a door panel frame), and sharpening and adjusting a scraper plane. He also talked about dual bevel (back bevel) sharpening as a technique to deal with difficult grain.

I found it very refreshing to hear him talk about getting the most from his tools. I�m inspired to get back out to my shop and experiment.

Here�s David holding one of the narrow wheel edge clamping honing guides he prefers. The narrow wheel allows him to more easily put variable pressure on one edge or the other to create a crown along the cutting edge.


During the introduction, Tom Lie-Nielsen mentioned a few new tools that will be coming out this summer. One is a small block plane, similar to the squirrel tail handle Stanley 100 or 100 1/2. Here is a picture of the casting of one (I didn�t see a finished plane). The L-N version will be low angle unlike the Stanley original. Tiny little guy.


Also coming are a new bullnose plane and a medium size (3/4�) shoulder plane. Sorry, no pictures or details of those � I didn�t get to see them. The small panel saws may also appear later this summer.

Lie-Nielsen is now making benches. In fact, the Marc Adams School of Woodworking just took delivery of 21 of them a few weeks ago. (They needed them � the Sjoberg benches they had when I was there were a bit on the light-duty side by comparison). The L-N benches are made of rock maple and can be custom built in various lengths (typically 7� or 8�), heights, and vice configurations. The vise shown on the front of the bench below features a quick release allowing the jaws to be slid freely with the threads disengaged and then quickly reengaged for tightening. Nice.


Another feature is the removable tool tray. As you can see in the photo below, the bottom of the tray has panels which can be slid out of the way allowing clamps to penetrate and grip the work at the back of the bench. With the clamps not in use the panels can be slid back across the runners shown. This is a great idea and I�m going to retro-fit my bench to do the same (you know� when I, uh, get around to it).


Here�s a shot of the underside showing the construction. I believe that the production benches have wider supports holding the back edge of the tool tray in place.


Here�s the end vise. Note the �proper� end caps on the handle � Ulmia take note!


As most people know, L-N has been producing chisels for a little while now. Here�s a picture of some (along with a prototype of a small marking knife).


I spoke with David Charlesworth about these and he seemed very excited by their edge holding ability.

Incidentally, here are the shooting board and accessories David discussed. The piece in the foreground is used for shooting then endgrain of narrow stock at a 45 degree angle. The clipped corner triangular piece on the shooting board in back is removable to allow either 45 or 90 degree shooting.


I learned L-N is up to 70 employees now! Most are located in this building while 12 employees are at a separate location. Primarily those are the folks doing the woodworking operations: knobs, totes, saws, along with the pattern maker.


They are expanding. Both sides of the building have additions under construction.



I got a tour of the shop but my pictures are so haphazard I�ll spare you them. It was a great trip and I really learned a lot from David.

Mark

PS: If you ever visit L-N yourself try to drop by the �Brass Compass Caf� in neighboring Rockland. Mmmmmmm!

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Rusty Miller

>Mark,

Great pics! Sure wish it wasn't so far from Texas, I'd love to go see the Lie-Nielson store. I really like his planes.

Speaking of David Charlesworth, his books are great also.

Thanks,

Rusty-Tye,TX

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Are they working on another video?

Jeff Smith FL

>When I was up there last September they had David there to shoot a video to be sold by LN.

Jeff

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Jim in Burlington Ont.

Great Post

Jim in Burlington Ontario

>I am very envious sounds like a dream vacation to me. As for the benches wonder what they are going to sell for. After reading several magazine articles that David has written he has some extremely detailed finishing idea's. Hope he makes a whole video about it.

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Jack Guzman from Maine

Thanks

Jack Guzman from Maine

>Thanks Mark for taking the time to post all those pictures. I really ought to get out there. It's not that far from me. That mortise chisel is a real monster.---Jack

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Brad in Ottawa

>I've always hoped that someone would post a few pix of LN central! BTW... did you leave LN with any goodies????

Thanks Mark!

Brad

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more?

Bill Tindall, E. TN

>It would be most helpful if you would elaborate on the topics enumerated in the first paragraph. Could you summarize, perhaps in separate posts, what you learned about avoiding tearing end grain, using shooting boards, etc?

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Bench pricing...

Dan Moening

>While I am not an authority, I had a long discussion with one of the LN booth representatives at the last WWing show. The price I was told was $1800; most any configuration you wished: quick release side vise (or not), tail-vise (or not), tool-trough (or not), height, width, length, etc.

Dan.

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Re: Honing guide

paul womack

>Here�s David holding one of the narrow wheel edge clamping honing guides he prefers.

You mean what (we in the UK) call the "Eclipse Style"?


BugBear

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The 7 1/2

Robin Frierson

>Hi Mark, did Tom mention anything about the adjustable mouth 7 1/2s he is going to make?

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Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

Re: Honing guide

Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

>Yes, that's the one. And he had a wider version that could hold a 112 scraper plane blade as well.

Mark

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Tom Colligan, Peoria

>Mark, the handles to the chisels almost look like they're cherry. I understood they had planned to use hornbeam, no? What did they settle on?

Thanks for your post.

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Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

Re: The 7 1/2

Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

>He didn't mention them and I forgot to ask. It would have been kind of cool to see the pattern.

Mark

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Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

Re: Are they working on another video?

Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

>Yes, there should be a new video coming. They were filmning during the class as well as the day before.

Mark

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Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

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Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

>>>did you leave LN with any goodies????<<

Well, of course I had to have some kind of souvenir :) ... I bought two videos (Charlesworth's first one and one I'd never heard of before on file making.)

Mark

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Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

Re: more?

Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

>Bill, I'll do another post later in the week when I get more time. I took a bunch of notes with diagrams, etc, and I'll write some stuff up on what I learned. Probably won't be until Sunday or Monday.

Mark

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Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

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Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

>I believe they are eastern hophornbeam (also called hophornbeam, hornbeam and ironwood). Very strong, resistant to abrasion and extremely dense. Like cherry it has those small dark bands that run through occasionally. (I think that marking knife in the picture may be cherry.)

Mark

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glh

>Nice to hear from a man who has been to the top of the mountain. Any news on when David Charlesworth's two videos on handplaning will be out. I'd read somewhere that they should be out sometime this summer.

Thanks for the post!

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Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

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Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

>>>Any news on when David Charlesworth's two videos on handplaning will be out.<<

Not really sure when they'll be out. Hopefully soon.

Mark

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Thanks

glh

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Re: custom made?

paul womack

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Re:About the vices

Christof Hartge

>Hello Mark,

the vices look ver much like the best used by Ulmia and the overall same look than my bench-vices. Any chances that the vices com from Germany?

Christof.

PS: Some Ulmia-people are very hard struggling to reestablish the company again.

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Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

Re:About the vices

Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

>Christof,

I don't know where they get the hardware. Tom did mention something about Woodcraft carrying a similar screw but I couldn't find it on their site.

I'm glad to hear Ulmia is continuing on. That's where I got my bench and it's really well made. My comment about the end caps related to Ulmia using those super-cheapo plastic caps on the handles. I just replaced mine with wooden balls.

Mark

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Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

Re: custom made?

Mark Meier (Ann Arbor, MI)

>He mentioned something about the honing guide being, uh, I didn't catch it exactly... something about it being japanese, or it coming from a japanese catalog, or something. I just hunted around the Japan Woodworker site and didn't find one that could go over 2-3/4" (the 112 blade is 2-7/8"). Thus, I must confess, I don't know.

Mark

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Re:About the vices

Christof Hartge

>And you are absolutely right about those plastic endcaps. They are ugly, they eventually fall off and a cause of touble evrey time I seem them.

Christof.

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