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Plane as Gift

Hoa Dinh in Union City

>Hi Folks,

I'm more a power tool kind of guy more than a hand tool kind of guy. I need your help.

I'd like to buy a hand plane as a gift to a special person. I just recently discovered that he likes hand tools, in particular Japanese chisels and planes. I want to use the 10% discount birthday card from Woodcraft it it's at all possible.

He probably has a bunch of Japanese wooden planes already. I'm thinking of a Lie-Nelson plane. What plane do you think an advanced WW hobbiest likes but less likely to have? Let's say the budget is $400.

Thanks,

-- Hoa

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Nice to see you...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>On the bright side Hoa!

Could use a little more info here... What kind of woodworking does your friend enjoy. Not knowing that and thinking about Japanese planes, here's my guesses:

A shoulder plane, 073 is fantastic for fitting joints.

You could do a scrub if he enjoys using rough lumber.

A low angle or high angle smoother could work but if he has a few planes he might have a nice smoother all ready.

The rabbiting planes 140's, 60 1/2R are fine planes suted to fitting joints and more.

You see lots of choices, and all under $400.00.

Speaking of that I'd like to be your special friend;)

Give us a little more info adn we'll flood you with enough info and choices to make your head spin.

Nice to see you here, Scott

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Speaking as a Japanese tool user, I don't understand how a LN plane would be an especially wonderful gift. And I use several LN planes in addition to the Japanese, like the ones I have.

Since you have $400 to spend, why not get him a special natural waterstone like the polishing stones at Hida (http://www.hidatool.com/woodpage/stone/polishing.html)?

Or a gift certificate at Hida or Hiraide?

Pam

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More data....

Hoa Dinh in Union City

>Not sure if they help. But here are some more data.

He tends to work on small projects: boxes, decorative thingies.... To him, WW is a form of relaxing/entertaining more than anything else. The process is more important than the final product.

I'm thinking of a metal LN plane because I want to give him something he doesn't have, something different. A former Berkeley resident and researcher at UC Berkeley (he now lives just across the Bay in SF), he sure frequents Hida and thus probably has a good collection of Japanese planes.

The Japanese polishing stone is a good idea (Thanks Pam). But I'd rather not give him a certificate.

Thanks,

-- Hoa

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Well, I'm probably very difficult to buy a present for; but when it comes to tools, I buy what I need/want or specify precisely what I'd like. So if I didn't have LN planes, it's because I wouldn't value them as highly as others. Your friend has clearly stated a preference for Japanese tools.

Best of luck.

Pam

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Well...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>That being said I'd go with a small smoother a 3 or 4. In the low angle verson a 64. Good luck on your decesion. Scott, I'm going to bed...

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How about a custom smooth plane? *LINK*

John K in Hastings, MN

>Steve Knight's stuff is really nice. If you scroll down to the bottom, he makes Japanese-style smoothers with laminated blades. Should be within your price range.

John


Knight Toolworks

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Bob Hackett

>Nice to see you here Hoa.

If the process is more important than the finished product for your friend and he has an interest in Japanese tools then why not think about enrolling him in one of the planemaking(or other eastern workshops)there in CA?Skills are something you keep a lifetime and yet still pass on to others.

An alternative would be to get him a plane kit like Shepard(sp) offers.If your friend has any interest in making his own tools why not open another door for him?

Mainely,Bob

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I second the Steve Knight smoother

mfitterling

>Steve's plane's are excellent. It would soon be the first plane he'll reach for when smoothing.

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#10

A different gift.... : )

Tim of San Leandro

>It sounds...from your description.....that your friend may be very well equipped with tooling.

I like Pam's idea of a fine natural waterstone....but my understanding about stones and tooling in that "range" is that they should be matched to each other. One quarrie's stones may not be ideal for a certain blacksmith's tools...'least that is what I've read from Toshio Odate.

Rather than tooling....how about getting hold of some wood? Try to find some really really really nice wood. Perhaps a few boards of highly figured X wood. Or some other type of wood that they might not normally spend their own $ on....but as a gift, would be wonderful. Or you might try to obtain some native japanese timber (that isn't readily available stateside) to have sent here to the states and give that.

To me....nothing inspires me more or makes me appreciate woodworking more than a really fine timber. Perhaps they won't ever actually use the wood...but it may stay in their shop in a special place...to be pulled out and examined for inspiration. I wouldn't worry about the quantity of money you spend...perhaps you can only find a small board that you feel is "good enough" to give as a gift.

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LN/Boggs shaves

Chris Knight

>I got the flat and curved shaves a while ago for a special project and I have been enormously impressed by these tools. I now find myself reaching for one in situations where it would simply not have occured to me to use a spokeshave before using these delightful tools. They are wonderfully precise and delicate tools that can nonetheless do a man-sized job if need be - or shave a butterfly's wing.

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Lyn J. Mangiameli

>I find Tim's suggestion to stike a chord with me. There are some exotic woods that are hard to justify purchasing for oneself, but bring immense pleasure to own, even if they only remain as raw boards. And for small projects like you friend tends to engage in, a little exotic wood can go a long way in a special project.

I must admit, the gifts I have received of wood have probably made more impact on me than most tools. I have a friend that has access to a lot of tools, but occasionally has surprised me with a couple of nice chunks of wood that have crossed his path. The wood and the finished projects have remained associated with that person, and my appreciation.

As for tools, I'd offer a few considerations. I think that the suggestions of a custom Knight plane are good ones, somewhat for the same reasons as for the wood I discussed above. You could select a special wood and or configuration (not to be at all silly, but Steve can incorporate a "racing stripe" of a contrasting wood that makes some of his planes look really classy), that would be a visual work of art as well as a functional tool. If you go this route, I would suggest a Knight Coffin Smoother at 63 degree bedding angle (he did one of these in ebony with a canary wood stripe that was really visually striking), or a Knight Razee Jack Plane. I think these would be in the spirit and style of the type of woodworking your friend does, would offer excellent function, but be something a bit new and interesting.

For commercial planes available at Woodcraft, I would suggest any of the small L-N bench planes. The number one is so uncommon and such a visual treat, and given your friends interests in smaller projects, even offers some practical application. Woodcraft now has on close-out special limited edition versions of the L-N #1 in "white bronze" that come in a presentation box and are numbered. It can be found on their website by going to closeouts, then planes. I also think a L-N #1,2,3,4 in bronze are beautiful and functional planes, that may bring him visual delight whether or not they seemed functionally significant to him. I would also suggest the small L-N scraper plane, that would be well matched to his projects and offer a function not readily duplicated by his Japaneser tools--and of course, it is again visually appealing.

Finally, I'd reiterate the comments of others that it is good to see you over here on the gentle side. BTW, how did that room AC work out (not that we've much had the weather for it yet).

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Wiley Horne--Glendora CA

>Hi,

The fact that your friend hangs out at Hida says a lot. Something for you to consider is a forged and laminated hammer head. You can see examples at the top of Hida's hammer page. A hammer is one of the most used tools in the shop, and therefore is a constant reminder of friendship. This is also something that not many people--even hardcore tool nuts--will think to get for themselves, since it's a luxury item. Some of the high-end hammer heads come in presentation boxes, and make a nice gift that way. Anyway, you might stop by Hida and take a look if the idea appeals.

One other suggestion, if you chance by Hida, is to see if they have any high-end mortise or marking gauges. This is another high-use item, and I wouldn't trade my Kinshiro (from Hiraide) for anything. In fact, I would suggest a Kinshiro gage for your friend, except that Hiraide is having to find a new smith to make the blade sets. Hida has unique items that don't make their catalog, and might have something comparable.

I don't think an LN plane would be a mistake, but it could turn out to be infrequently used. If I were going to get one for your friend, I would assume that he is using Japanese smoothers, and therefore would get something he could joint his stock with. I find Japanese jointers to be more like jack planes. For the small items he makes, an LN 5-1/2 or 6 could be an excellent jointer, and the 5-1/2 is a favorite LN for me. A C&W trying plane would also be a great choice for jointing stock.

Wiley

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Dan Donaldson

>I would second the C & W trying plane. It is a work of art and works as good as it looks.

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I like Wiley's ideas ...

Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Wiley has made some great suggestions. I second the choice of a high-end hammer head or mortise or marking gauge. I prefer these over a plane simply because you really don't know what he has and, as a non-Japanese handplane user, probably wouldn't recognise what he needs even if you stood in his workshop and examined his collection. But items such as a truly great hammer head are special presents. These will be used, and each time they are there will be an association with the event that gave their "birth".

Oh, Gad, we handtool users are such a soppy lot!

Regards from Perth

Derek

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Re: LN/Boggs shaves

John Hoffman

>I have used the Boggs and the small bronze LN spoke shave. I was so impressed with the small bronze one that I purchased it and find it very useful, especially in working with curved items. I often used it with one hand. Best of luck.

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