moving fillister or plough?

Re: moving fillister or plough?

Stephen in Ottawa

>If it's a groove you want to cut, you should use a plough. The fillister plane will cut a rebate ( or rabbet ).

- Stephen

Re: moving fillister or plough?

Alan Hamilton

>Steve,

Unless you're set on getting an oldie, you might want to consider a combination plane. They will do exactly what you want, and a whole lot more.

IIRC, you can still find a brand new Stanley 12-250 (which I'm told does the same kinds of things as the old Stanley #45). Clifton is now marketing the Clico combination plane ( which is supposed to be functionally the same as the old Stanley #55). The Clifton/Clico is better made than the Stanley, and has many more irons available--but it also costs quite a bit more.

I have both a Stanley 12-250 and a Clifton/Clico; I couldn't be happier with both of them (well...the Stanley let me down a bit--but only because it doesn't have all the different kinds of irons that are available for the Clifton/Clico). With a sharp iron, correctly set up, and proper technique they both work great.

Alan

Clifton = 55?

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>The pics of the Clifton combination plane I've seen look identical to the Stanley 45, not the 55 - the 55 had all kinds of extra swoopy stuff like adjustable-height skates lacking on the 45.

Re: Clifton = Record 405 = Stanley 45

paul womack

>...and costs far more than all but the super-mintiest s/h version.

BugBear

= Sargent #1080 too

Alice Frampton, UK

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Re: Clifton = 55?

Alan Hamilton

>Bill,

I'm only reporting what I've been told. The Clifton/Clico is capable of all the same things the Stanley 55 can do. While some of the various add-ons for a 55, such as irons and "skates" for hollows and rounds, aren't available new for the Clifton, the Stanley gadgets will all work on the Clifton/Clico. So at least in that respect the Clifton is functionally the same as the 55.

Also, if I'm correctly informed, a 45 cannot make some of the profiles that both the Clifton and the Stanley 55 can make, such as ovolos. But again, I don't know this to be the case.

Alan

Re: Clifton = 55?

Alice Frampton, UK

>Alan,

Trust me, it can't do what a #55 can do. It's virtually identical to the Record #405 which did come with ovolo cutters in its later years. I know 'cos I have one. And the #55 doesn't need the extra bases to use the hollow and rounds, that's what all its fancy up and down adjustable skates take care of. Whoever told you it could do what a #55 can was telling porkies* I'm afraid. Or else very confused, and who can blame them?!

Cheers, Alf

*Ooops, translation needed I think. Cockney rhyming slang; pork pies - lies.

Re: Clifton = 55?

Alan Hamilton

>Alice,

I hope I'm mistaken, but if my steadily fading memory is working this time, I was told all that by someone here--though not you of course--and by someone at Saint James Bay.

A question: what can the 55 do that the Clifton/Clico cannot? (This is purely academic curiosity. The Clifton/Clico does everything I want.)

Another question: If the Stanley 55 didn't need the hollows and rounds "skates" or any of the other add ons Stanley made for it, why did Stanley make them? I'm told (yet again. Some guys just don't know when to quit) that the Stanley 45 will not work with those gew-gaws. Again, I'm just repeating from memory...er...hmmm...what was I saying? What are we talking about? Where am I? Where are you? Who are you? Is it time for my cookie?

Alan

Also the Craftsman 3728 ;>)!!

Frank Mutchler in Colorado Springs

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Thanks, Frank! :~)

Alice Frampton, UK

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Re: Clifton = 55? *LINK*

Alice Frampton, UK

>Alan,

No problem, it can get horribly confusing I know.

Blood & Gore can explain the difference better than I:

"The plane is pretty much the same as the #45. It goes a bit further by facilitating cutters that require irregular bearing points across their width. For example, a simple bead can be cut with a #45 since both sides of the profile are in the same geometric plane. Two skates, one at each side of the bead are positioned; one skate, on the main stock is fixed, and the other, part of the sliding section, is secured to the arms. This same principle is used on a more complex profile, like an ogee; the cutter is fixed in the main stock, and the sliding section is positioned to the other side of the cutter. Problem is, this part of of the cutter is incapable of cutting since the skate, being only laterally adjustable and not vertically adjustable, precludes it from making contact with the wood.

"To address this deficiency, the #55 has a vertically adjustable sliding section, which allows the skate to be moved up or down to expose the leftmost (to the main stock) portion of an irregular cutter. A long threaded rod accomplishes this. Also attached to the sliding section is an auxiliary skate, or bottom, which is likewise adjustable both vertically and laterally. This auxiliary bottom is used as extra support to prevent the cutter from gouging into the work (hey, wooden molding planes don't do that). Where this bottom is used is on profiles like ogees, or compositions using the hollows and rounds cutters."

If that doesn't help (and looking at the pictures too will assist here!) the link below might help a bit too. The bases were made especialy for the #45 so they could be used with H&R cutters and a nosing cutter to make up for the deficiency of the skates.

Cheers, Alf


Uses of the #55