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So, I did send an e-mail to FWW *LINK*

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>Sent off an e-mail this morning to the editors of FWW, encouraging them to pull up their socks and get back to producing good stuff. Text follows:

Editors:

I visit and periodically post on the Hand Tools forum of the Wood Central web community. This forum has members ranging from very experienced to very new, from those makng their living working wood to weekend warriors; but there's a common interest in high quality work.

Recently, there've been some conversations about the quality of "Fine Woodworking." The two longest threads can be found at:

http://www.woodcentral.com/cgi-bin/handtools.pl?frames;read=33883 and

http://www.woodcentral.com/cgi-bin/handtools.pl?frames;read=34006.

If these don't pop up for you when you search, the forum itself is at http://www.woodcentral.com/cgi-bin/handtools.pl?index.

The general consensus is that quality has declined.

I've subscribed to "Fine Woodworking" for some years - if I recall correctly, since the early color days, although I'd been buying it at the newsstand before that, and was impressed enough by it to acquire, slowly, every issue from No. 1. I was also a charter subscriber to "Home Furniture" and have every issue of that excellent publication.

I am disappointed in the current state of "Fine Woodworking." FWW was important in shaping my perception of quality work and my ambitions to improve my work; in educating me about high quality in technique and design; in inspiring me to try a little harder. Among many other articles, I remember the Aztec drum (Issue 8), the Wootton Patent desk (Issue 87), and the profile of Judy Kensley McKie (Issue 44). I am unable to remember ANY recent articles that I would add to that list.

[I then restated, with some editing, the comments I made in one of the threads on this subject, linked below to save server memory]


http://www.woodcentral.com/cgi-bin/handtools.pl?frames;read=34022

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#2

Well done Bill...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>Written nicely. No flaming, just a gentle push in the right direction. I for one hope it gets their attention. Scott ogoing to look at the latest issue while hammock testing this afternoon.

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Re: So, I did send an e-mail to FWW

Alan Hamilton

>Bill,

Good letter. There have been similar letters--and some more heated posts--over on Knots. I've written one out of the many posts on their site.

I'm afraid, however, that all such efforts will achieve nothing. After all, so long as they sell more magazines they don't really care to whom they're selling them.

Alan

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Reply to my e-mail to FWW (long)

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>I got a quite prompt reply - two, in fact, from different editors. The one I've copied below (which I think was in response to my e-mail, though I'm not absolutely sure), from Anatole Burkin, was honest, forthcoming, and thoughtful.

It does confirm that FWW made a conscious decision to juggle a focus on beginners and some stuff for the more experienced. I continue to be disappointed, because I think they're serving the beginners a lot better than the more experienced; but it's clear that they're not oblivious to what they're producing. I'd still like to see a magazine with "Fine" in its name focusing on a higher mission than testing bevel gauges; but they clearly decided that they needed to change their approach to survive.

He also refutes the cure for the lever-nut bevel gauge mentioned by some on earlier threads - apparently, the Gladstone doesn't work as well as the old Stanleys in this regard.

When I asked Anatole Burkin for permission to post his reply, he granted it with the request that I "...make it clear that this was a note to you and not a post; I don't want to come off as rude by not replying to others if a thread develops. I simply can't take the time to do that right now."

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Bill:

I came across your comments on Wood Central and just wanted to respond. While I don't dive into on-line discussions of the magazine -- not enough time -- all of us editors here do pay attention to what readers are saying. Your comments showed that you were very familiar with the magazine and had a history of reading it; you were also specific and thoughtful in what you said. Once in a while I like to send a personal note in hopes of explaining how we work here and what goes into our decision making.

The core audience of any magazine is always in flux. Every five years or so, about a third of our readers are new; others drop off. We have a much higher than average group of folks who stay with us for many years, some since the first issue. But because the audience is revolving and composed of people with wide differences in skill level, we have to consider their needs as well as the long-term subscribers. It's an impossible task to please all readers all of the time. But as you can imagine, we need to cover the basics regularly to assist those readers in the early years of their woodworking. Back in the late 1980s, early 1990s, we reached a point where we were focusing heavily on the "elite" woodworkers and their techniques. Our circulation took a downward spiral that took 5 years to turn around. That's the problem with aiming a magazine too high -- there is not enough audience to sustain it.

A smaller magazine, such as Woodwork, is better suited to going after the smaller niche market. I read it too, and enjoy some of what I see there.

In regards to articles by or about cutting-edge designers, some of the names you see in the magazine today might be well known in 10 years. Or maybe not. We have to take some chances. Folks like Steven Hammer, David Lamb, Leonard Bechler, Leonid Zakurdayev, Deby Zito, who have been featured in the last year or so, are excellent designers and talented technicians. I'm sure that in 10 years, some readers will bemoan the fact that those names are no longer in the magazine (too busy with their successful furnituremaking to take time to write for such a populist magazine!).

We continue, however, to feature well known makers. In the last year we've featured Michael Fortune, James Krenov, Graham Blackburn (twice), Silas Kopf, Paul Schurch, Miguel Gomez-Ibanez, Will Neptune and David Marks. An upcoming issue has a feature on Hank Gilpin. That said, I understand why experienced woodworkers sometimes feel that there is too much in the way of tool testing and standard technique material in the magazine. Been there, done that. But hopefully, with the occasional design article, Master Class, Current Work and the Back Cover, veterans of the craft will at least see one or two things of interest in each issue. It's a critical balance, and looking at our circulation metrics, it seems to be working.

Oh, and by the way -- regarding Steve Latta and the bevel gauge article (another thread on WoodCentral). We did play around with rotating the bolt 1/4 turn on the Gladstone tool. Yes, you can get it out of the way for one operation, but the next time you might have to fuss with it again (this particular tool would never lock firmly with the lever totally out of the way; perhaps we should have gotten a replacement). Not a fatal flaw, but given that other tools had solved the problem more elegantly, we figured, why waste your time with mediocre technology? We don't always have room to print every point about every tool. That point was eaten by the delete key. And as a result the author (who by the way is an amazing builder -- his Federal style pieces are exquisite) takes it on the chin.

In publishing, one has to develop a thick skin and not take criticism personally. But our skin is not so thick that we don't listen or don't change our ways now and then.

Thanks for you comments and for listening.

Regards,

Anatole Burkin

Editor

Fine Woodworking

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Bill -

Rob Lee

>I almost missed this one - It's pretty far down the page now...

In fairness to FWW (I think a lot of people will miss it down here) - can you repost it as a new message too???

Cheers -

Rob

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UBB Sort Order

Ted Owen, Moderator

>Rob, if you set your "Sort Order" preference to UBB, any thread with recent activity zips to the top of the page.

Best, Ted

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#7

It's a pretty fair response...

Mark Harrison -- in Sydney, Australia

>I haven't weighed into this debate so far, but I've read quite a bit of it.

I don't wholly agree with the (apparent) concensus view about this issue. In fact, I flipped through the issue again this evening (for no particular reason) and while I wouldn't say that this was the best issue for me, there was something in there for most of us.

In particular the cover subject of the dresser is quite attractive and had some different techniques to describe. I appreciate that they are machine tool techniques and this is the hand tool forum but hey, so what. The design is still nice.

The Master Class on using metal leaf is very interesting. Not something I'm going to use this week, but definitely something to keep in mind.

Now, about that MDF article. I have to admit that one eyebrow arched northwards when I saw that but again, a lot of us will probably use it at some point. My kitchen cupboard doors are simply clear lacquered MDF, for instance. Would I do it again? Maybe not but it looks a lot better than it sounds :-) and it was inexpensive when I needed to economise and all of us here have to do that as well. Well done, MDF can be a reasonable compromise for cabinetry when economy is important.

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Yeah, but...

Scott in Douglassville, PA

>...the implication that David Lamb is somehow a newcomer to the scene is, to me, well, just wrong. Maybe I'm reading it differently than was intended, but I'm looking at an article Lamb did for FWW in 1986, and he mentions that, prior to that writing, he was the Canterbury's resident cabinetmaker for several years. Hardly an up-and-comer. I know, I'm picking nits.

I'll forego commentary on that chest of drawers...

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Re:FWW plans

Mitchell

>I don't begrudge FWW for their priorities. They are a business and they depend on increasing sources levels of revenue. Newbies buy more new tools and machines and that helps to sell advertising.

The change started with the switch to color printing, I think, and then slipped downhill when he who shall remain nameless appear on the cover. But it's also apparent that it is no longer the essential resource as it once was so many years ago. I found the comparison to Woodwork a bit troublesome and selfserving however. I've had trouble with reading that magazine too with its emphasis on 'art' work that happens to use tree byproducts. A much more meaningful analogy would be to the British publication Furniture and Cabinet Making. I used to buy it at a local Border's until they dropped it and never quite explained why. It's expensive but was worth every cent.

What does it say about us in the US that the British have access to such a publication with higher expectations for its readership with an even smaller market?

In the end, I think that FWW is shooting itself in the foot and it will eventually become nothing more than a machinery catalogue but with higher profits and less relevance to experienced woodworkers.

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European WWing Mags - Opinions?

Scott in Douglassville, PA

>Ok, so this got me to looking, as I'm always interested in furthering my subscription load. While looking for "Furniture and Cabinet Making", I found the following list of magazines from Geoff's Woodwork website:

  • Woodworking published by Nexus,


  • Practical Woodworking published by Nexus,


  • The Woodturner published by Nexus,


  • Router published by Nexus,


  • Furniture and Cabinet Maker published by GMC Publications,


  • Good Woodworking published by Future Publishing,


  • Traditional Woodworking published by Peter Johns.

Anyone care to comment on the content of these magazines? The titles alone are encouraging.

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Furniture & Cabinet Making

Wiley Horne--Glendora CA

>I don't know the other magazines on the list, but I have done two renewals so far on my F&CM subscription. There are two main things I like about it:

1. The 'Projects' section. There are 3 or 4 projects in most issues. The exploded drawings showing how these are made are exceptionally clear. Frequently the project will illustrate advanced skills, such as installing a leather top on a desk, different ways to make drawers, dealing with curved surfaces, and so on. It's not dumbed down.

2. The 'Technical' section. David Charlesworth is a regular contributor, and there are others, such as John Lloyd, who are professional cabinetmakers. Sharpening, finishing, final surface treatment, are typical subjects covered. They are covered in-depth--and do not over-summarize.

Equipment tests are also a staple item. These are often about high-end machines, and I usually don't read them, but then they also recently had a very good survey and testing of chisels (Two Cherries won out, followed by Ray Iles).

I think this magazine would be far more widely read in the US if it were easier to obtain. It's found at few newsstands. And there is no website to go to and click on 'subscribe now'. What you do is email Sue Bennett, the Subscriptions manager, at

sueb@thegmcgroup.com, and she will tell you what to do. The magazine is not cheap--$74.50 for one year (12 issues), including postage to the US. However, I have bit the bullet twice now on re-upping the subscription. The reason is that it covers important cabinetmaking skills in 'how to do it' detail.

Wiley

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#12

Re: subscription sale?

Mitchell

>try this link: http://lightningpublications.com/articles/fcm.html

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#13

David Lamb?

Mark Harrison -- in Sydney, Australia

>Are we reading the same edition of FWW? :-) Did you mean David Marks?

I am interested in your opinion of the chest of drawers, now that you mention it.

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David Lamb...

Scott in Douglassville, PA

>Hey, Mark -

The line in Anatole Burkin's reply was "In regards to articles by or about cutting-edge designers, some of the names you see in the magazine today might be well known in 10 years. Or maybe not. We have to take some chances. Folks like Steven Hammer, David Lamb, Leonard Bechler, Leonid Zakurdayev, Deby Zito, who have been featured in the last year or so, are excellent designers and talented technicians." To me, this is suggesting that David Lamb is somehow just beginning to receive either editorial or critical notice. My point was that he was contributing to FWW more than 15 years ago, and that he's been an accomplished, and 'known', woodworker for a long time.

I like David Marks, too, but David Lamb is one of those guys I'd like to sit with and talk to for a few hours. I have a project on my long-term, wifely-mandated list thanks to him...

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#15

Barnes & Noble carries F&CM

Ted Owen, Pittsburgh

>Ellis recommended it about a year ago, and I've been a subscriber ever since. Have come to get more out of it than FWW. Definitely will renew when the time comes.

I do continue to subscribe to FWW, but only because of the great articles from 20 years ago.

Popular Woodworking is coming on strong, too, and is now one of my favorites--thanks mostly to their attention to hand tool techniques and Christopher Schwarz's participation here on WC Hand Tools.

Best, Ted

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#16

Re: Furniture & Cabinet Making

kees laan

>I did the subscription of 2003 with creditcard online. Maybe of security reasons you have to call now and tell your numbers?

kees

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Re: Furniture & Cabinet Making

John, NY

>It may be expensive but you do get 12 issues a year rather than the 7 or 8 of many other magazines including I think FWW. And it is currently $59.95 for a year ($5 a copy!) Cheaper than FWW at the news stands!

I think I must buy all of the magazines in the end, mainly because I just need something to read.

$100 per month on WW mags! Wow, gotta get a new habit that doesn't cost as much, perhaps cocaine or collecting hand planes would be cheaper!

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Re: David Lamb...

Mark Harrison -- in Sydney, Australia

>Oh, I didn't see that attribution. I just looked at the authors' name in the TOC.

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