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Mortise question for Adam C. *LINK*

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Mortise question for Adam C. *LINK*

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Mortise question for Adam C. *LINK*

JustinW in Ann Arbor, MI

>Hi Adam -

I'm finally getting around to trying the method of mortising that you've described in numerous posts here and on other sites. I imagine you're sick to death of the subject, but if I may impose...

On the OldTools Archive you've written a very thorough description of the method you use. Despite your thoroughness, I'm a little dense. I'm having trouble understanding step #5 (beginning the mortise) without the help of a visual aid. You mention cross-grain paring followed by removing triangular chunks. I'm imagining holding the chisel diagonal to the workpiece, but I'm sure this is not what you mean. Any chance you could re-explain how you start your mortises?

You've made a very interesting case for the kinder, gentler mortising technique (instead of the hack and bash or drill and pare methods). Now I just want to figure out exactly what you mean (without making a trip to CW).

The link to the post on Old Tools is below.

Thanks in advance!

- Justin


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Re: Mortise question for Adam C.

Frank Mutchler in Colorado Springs

>Adam, do any of the organizations you are associated with publish videos? I think many of us would welcome a video or two or three of you demonstrating the woodworking techniques used by our ancestors. There must be a multi-media aware college student that needs some community service time?? They could document you working on any number of projects that would be greatly beneficial to many of us.

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Adam Cherubini, NJ

>You mention cross-grain paring followed by removing triangular chunks. I'm imagining holding the chisel diagonal to the workpiece

No. You're just making a series of incisions, if you will, perdendicular to the length of the mortise, perpendicular to the mortise's cheeks, parallel to the ends you chopped in the previously step. Okay? Not diagonal.

It really is hard for me to explain and frustrating. You may not prefer this tecnhique, you may think I'm wrong (and I may be), but in 3 minutes you'd totally understand why I do it, why the chisel is shaped the way it is, why I hold it the way I do, why 19th century mortise chisels are still in such great shape, etc.

Anyway, these incisions are just that. The first pass doesn't produce chips. I like to start at the far end and work backwards towards myself. With each subsequent incision, I align one edge of the chisel with the single gauged line. The incision lifts, but does not remove a thin chip. If the incisions were very close together, you might pop some out. The point is to stay in control, an produce a mortise exactly as wide asteh chisel all along is length and depth.

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I don't like mortising gauges since the chisel defines the width, not some gauged line. I think mortising gauges should be called tenoning gauges for their use makes more sense there.

On the second pass, working from the opposite direction, similar incisions make little vee shaped chips, but they are very thin. I continue with these light cuts back and forth until my mortise is deep enough to guide my chisel 1/4-3/8" deep. Keeping the mortise straight and true after that (when I start working faster, cutting more aggressively) becomes a function of keeping as much chisel in the mortise as possible. That happens by keeping a low angle.

I may be totally wrong about all this, but I see this same technique used when sawing. To correct a cut, you lay the saw down into the slit to guide the saw. As in sawing, if the tool is 90 degrees to the work, its length or straightness does nothing to keep your line straight. Like ripping with a scroll saw. Make sense?

Again, I could be wrong, but I see over-arching attitudes or approaches to solving problems in the period shop. Guiding a cut by laying a tool into its cut is one philosophy (for lack of a better term) we see again and again. This technique uses that philosophy, so its seems to "fit" even though there isn't smoking gun evidence for it. The design of the chisel, its handle, the condition of antiques, all seem to corroborate.

Anyway, I hope I answered your question. If not contact me off line, so we don't bore everybody with this topic.

Adam

P.S. I find the stuff about the over-arching attitudes really interesting. Anybody else? That's sort of what my talk was about to the CJWA. I think there's another level or two of woodworking beyond techniques. I also think the period techniques are all related, physically, philosophically, etc. When you stumble across them, you get that Ah Ha! sort of moment, like a new discovery. Anybody else?

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That kind of thinking...

Bob Hackett

>makes people look at you funny.Like maybe you`ve got a tinfoil liner in the WC cap.

You should have seen the looks I got on the rifle range when I tried to explain how WWing has made me a better shooter and vice-versa.

As I grow older(and more calm)I find more and more things are interrelated.

Like the motto of Redfish Salvage says"Everything works if you let it".

Mainely,Bob

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Re: That kind of thinking...

Adam Cherubini, NJ

>How did you know about my tin foil? Man that's spooky.

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#6

Adam, better change that cap lining

Angelo in Cornwall, NY

>to lead. Bob's getting through the foil.

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Thanks!

JustinW in Ann Arbor, MI

>Now I'm off to steal a half hour or so of shop time to give it a go. Thanks for the reply!

Justin

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Curses....

Bob Hackett

>Foiled again!

MB

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