New Lie-Nielsen Saw?

It's a panel saw

Christopher Schwarz

>Ryan,

Tom has experimented with making some panel saws. I got to use a rip version that Rob Cosman takes to shows. Sweet.

I don't think it's near the top of his list right now (I could be wrong, however).

There are some other clues and surprises lurking in those photos by the way. Visitors to the Saratoga event this year probably know what I'm talking about, but I shouldn't say more.

Chris

Re: New Lie-Nielsen Saw?

Todd Hughes

>Just looks like a small panel saw to me with a dull grey colored blade and blocky handle.Do agree the handle looks like maple but sure can't see to tell if it has a tapered ground blade. As to the chisels I wonder why they didn't give them Leather Bumper Strike ends like the original Stanley 750's they ape?. I had to smile when the add copy said..."socket chisels are not common these days....but Stanley once produced nothing but in many variations". Sort of amazing that a large modern tool maker that most of what they make are copies of Stanley tools could forget about the 5 variations of Stanley Everlasting chisels,which certainly are not socket chisels! Something tells me it will be a long wait befor you ever see a LN chisel made like an Everlast though.......Todd

Clues & Surprises

Don Thompson, Cutler Ridge, South of Miami FL

>OK, I will bite:

In the first photo, there in something round, seen end on, at the top of the photo. (?)

In the first photo, to the left, there is some gadget with a threaded rod and a thumb-wheel, that I cannot identify. Maybe a sharpening jig?

There is a plane, that does not look unusual - maybe a #4?

The biggie is the bench with the large Lie-Nielsen nameplate on it.

Re: New Lie-Nielsen Saw?

Ernie Miller Topeka

>So what is so special about these new chisels that make them better than the bucket of old ones that I am putting in my garage sale this weekend?

Re: New Lie-Nielsen Saw?

Todd Hughes

>Why Ernie they'er, Uhmm ,Uhmm, Uhmm, well they're uhmm, uhmm, ....well they are just Better! OK? Gotta be because they cost a bunch more, eh?....Gee whizz how could you ask a question like that......Todd

Re: Clues & Surprises

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>"there in something round, seen end on, at the top of the photo"

I do believe that's one of their screwdrivers. Unless your lookin at that mallet looking thing.

That bench look sweet!

Give the bottom feeders a break

Bob Hackett

>and pull all the socket chisels marked Swan,Whitherby,Buck,oh h**l,anthing laminated out and set them aside won`t ya?I promise them a good home and you may even get afew back reincarnated with Maine hardwood handles.Secret Santa`s only 9 months off now Ernie!;^)

Mainely,Bob

BTW-I feel your chisels win hands down,history trumps everything else.

Perhaps I can answer your question

Eric from Little Rhody

>Maybe they're worth more to someone because:

1) Some people have better things to do with their time than to run around to yard sales all weekend long hoping to find decent old chisels, or

2) Old chisels of similar quality (let's just say the Stanley 750s that they "ape") go for around $20-30 a pop on eBay anyway, and then you're trusting your money to someone who could screw you at the drop of a hat and you'd have no recourse.

I don't have the LN chisels, nor do I have any immediate plans to buy them, but if someone wants to spend their money on them, that's their business. Doesn't necessarily make them stupid.

Re: New Lie-Nielsen Saw?

MikeL in SoCal

>When people write that their L-N blurfle works splendidly, I have no reason to doubt their experience. I also completely understand the desire to buy tools that are almost ready to go straight out of the box (I've bought a few of those although they've never made it out of their boxes). However, nobody can convince me that those tools are more handsome than the hundred year old tools that they're mimicking. That's, of course, just my opinion.

Cheers,

Mike

Good qouestion...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>Ladies and Gentleman, may I have you attention please. This is a hijack...

I'm sitting here looking at those chisels contemplating why my perfectly good 11 pc. set of Pfeils cost the same as LN's 5 pc. set...

BTW Todd I agree completly about the everlasts, I love my set of 40's

I agree Eric

MikeL in SoCal

>The folks buying the L-N (or LV, Knight, C&W, etc.) products seem to be more interested in the woodworking itself than in admiring old tools. That's cool with me (and leaves more old tools for me too). There are also some people out there who seem to be able to do both but you're right that chasing down old tools and getting them into user shape is very time consuming (and time really is money so everybody has to choose how they want to spend their time-money). I've been trying to progress from tool admirer to tool user but I keep finding new old tools that need tending to (and there's an old tool swap meet on Sunday that I *have* to go to ;^> ).

Cheers,

Mike

Re: Good question...

Rob Lee

>Scott -

Chisels are like golf clubs in many ways....if you had a set of 11, would you REALLY use them all?? Or would you even want 'em all to be the same brand?

If it were me, I'd go with a smaller set...and probably mix quality levels too...

1/4, 3/8, 1/2, 3/4 , 1 in high quality, anything else acoording to planned use...

Continuing with the golf analogy - I spend a lot of time in sandtraps - so "Need" a Ping wedge.... :) ( I sure don't need a ping two iron!!)

Cheers -

Rob

Re: I agree Eric

john jesseph

>Amen. I am tired of rehabbing tools. I have buckets of old chisels, witherbys, swans, everlasting, 750's. If I paid myself what I make at my day job for just flattening the backs, I would come out way ahead with the LN chisels. Not everyone is in the position is I am, though.

I haven't used my LN chisels yet, too busy at work. I have a violin and a mandolin on the workbench now, would rather be making stuff than farting around looking through dirty boxes at auctions and flea markets at this point in my life. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

As far as the obvious differences of steel, and the cryogenic treament, they look like any other chisel, except the fit and finish are better.

BTW when I got on the chisel list a couple years ago, Tom LN impied that everlasting style chisels were in the works. I don't like everlasting chisels, and they would be god awful expensive, so I didn't ask to get on the list for them....

Re: Good qouestion...

john jesseph

>I know in the violin making world, the pfeil/woodcraft tools have a reputation of being too soft, and don't hold an edge. I don't know from personal experience. We'll see if the cryogenically treated A2 steel is any better.

Since we've been hijacked

Frank Mutchler in Colorado Springs

>I'd like to comment/speculate/add my .02�. I�ve heard it said that one of the largest obstacles to happiness is envy. I think envy can have two faces...'boy, I wish I had that' and its reverse 'why would anyone want that...what I've got is just as good or better and I got it for almost nothing'. Frequently, not always, getting a great deal on something means the previous owner got less than a fair deal but that�s another story.

The envy I most often experience is the former and I work on it pretty regularly. I think the statement is true because I'm very familiar with that empty feeling shortly after pursuing & capturing the latest greatest gizmo. I keep thinking of Forest Gump and how naturally happy he was with his simple uncluttered life. Strangely, good things just seemed to happen to him.

Funny you should ask..

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>I use to drill and pare all my mortices and I used most of them for the varing sizes of morti. Granted I don't use them all the sizes that much anymore, because I just mortice chisles now. Funny you should use the golf club metafore, my clubs go to 11 (insert Spinal Tap conversation here) and the 11 is my sand wedge;).

I have to dissagre here...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>My Pfeils hold an edge as good and my Stanley 40 and 50's. They have been reviewed by w rags in the past few years and always come out on top with in the cream of the crop. Their biggest problem... the thin ones tend to roll around the bench.

That's me....

Tony - Memphis

>I love old tools, but to quote another forum member, "I'm in old tool heck." They just simply don't exist here. And, the one's I have bid on, usually go for a lot more than I am willing to pay sight unseen. And your are exactly right, my primary interest is in woodworking. That's why I want good tools in the first place. I am in need of a good set of chisels. Not sure I can swing the LN price, but I'm sure trying to figure out how to! I'm not trying to justify their price, just say that different folks have different perspectives and different situations. My shop time is very limited, so I'd rather make furniture (so called anyway) than hunt and rehab tools. Wish I could buy more old tools - I love the ones I have (including some I have purchased from certain forum members whom I hope to buy from again!). Anyway, the LN's are awfully pretty and I trust the quality will be as advertised as usual. Just gotta decide how long we'll have to eat beans to get a set. Ironically, I got an email from LN as I was typing this! Oh there getting to me.......

Tony - "But honey, I NEEDED those!!!"

Oh, a ?

Tony - Memphis

>I'm not a pure neander. My chisels would see fairly mild usage. Any reason to NOT get the rosewood? It looks really nice! Guess I could turn my own too perhaps.

Tony

Oh, one other thing, what is different about the Stanley Everlast chisels?

Re: I have to dissagre here...

john jesseph

>Maybe the violin makers prefer something even harder, I don't know. A few people on the net have recommended retempering the gouges. I don't know about the chisels from personal experience.

BTW, if you search the SAPFM website, I think you can find the email address of someone that sells Pfeil at a 30 percent discount from Woodcraft prices...

Re: Good qouestion...

kees

>What chisel would Stradivarius use :-)

I really don`t consider...

Bob Hackett

>being shot in the buttocks a good thing.But hey,whatever floats yer boat.;^)

Mainely,Bob

Re: Perhaps I can answer your question

Ernie Miller Topeka

>I'm sorry I didn't mean to get any ones nickers in a twist. There is a need for new tool makers with quality tools. I am also sure that there is some improvment in steel quality and edge retention. And nothind beats a full set of chisels all at once. I think you all should go out and buy a set. but please send me your used junk ones.

Re: Give the bottom feeders a break

Ernie Miller Topeka

>I open my big mouth and make half the board mad and now the other half is wanting me to rig the secret santa. Ok so the bucket that I have pulled out is mostly lesser quality Sears, union, OVB and no name chisels I will double check to make sure nothing good gets out on the table. Maybe I'll take a picture of my sale just to make some of you all laugh. (Note to self send box of scrap iorn to Bob)