High Angle Frog vs Standard

A lower cost option

Rossmoor Galoot

>Check out the thread below concerning the Veritas smoother with both types of blades for a much less expensive alternative. I have nothing against LN, its just that cost is obviously a factor in your decision and Lee Valley offers a more economical alternative. I have the LV low angle smoother and love it and will be ordering the second blade shortly.

Re: A lower cost option

Jim in Burlington Ontario

>I am lucky enought to have both the LV low angle and LN 4.5 no high angle frog. About 70% of the time the LV gets used 20% the LN and 10% gets scraped. I pretty much use tiger maple and cherry. IMO touching up the iron and keeping it as sharp as possible and throat closed has more to do with keeping tearout to a minimum. Darrell had a great idea of keeping scraps of nasty grained woods to test your planes and scrapers on after sharpening.

Re: A lower cost option

todd stock

>The LN with high angle frog, cryo blade, and the new chip breaker is a different animal than a standard LN 4 or 4-1/2 - it's my go-to plane for nasty wood.

Re: cost, the LV is $175 and the LN is $255 with the new C/B. You have to decide for yourself as to whether the extra level of performance is worth the $80. For me, yes.

Re: A lower cost option

bob marino

>Does LN sell this high angle frog separately? Price? Is it easy to change back and forth between frogs?

Bob

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Rob Cosman

>Hi Bob, they do and you will be impressed at the tight tolerances, best in the industry, just ask me! $75 USD for either the 2" (fits #4 & #5) or the 2 3/8" (fits the 4 1/2, 5 1/2, 6 and 7). Just loosen the frog retaining screws to swap the frogs.

Rob, L-N Canada

Re: Options

paul womack

>For wood that's prone to tearout, you need a high effective cutting angle.

Ways to achieve this:

* Bevel down plane with fixed, high bedding angle, (e.g. a Steve Knight woodie, or an infill)

* Bevel down plane with adjustable bedding angle - this would be a LN with "both" frogs.

* Bevel down plane with "normal" bedding angle, and back bevelled blade.

* Bevel up plane (AKA "low angle") and a "suitable" bevel on the blade.

The last 2 options can achieve an extra effective cutting angle at the cost of an extra blade, not an extra casting, or an extra plane.

BugBear

Re: Options

todd stock

>When I used to do boatyard work, I'd take the LN jack, a 60-1/2, and a few spare blades, plus an assortment of scrapers for those really tight places. You don't really need more than a plane or two to get the job done - it's just more convienient.

Mahogany place in Milan?

Tony - Memphis

>I see we are almost sort of neighbors...have you ever dealt with that Mahogany dealer in Milan? Just wondering about them. Can't recall the name off hand.

Tony

Oh Boy...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>I have to agree with you Todd. I ordered the 4 1/2 w/50 deg frog and improved chip breaker. It's fantastic! It�s stupendous! It can tame the meanest, wildest, gnarylist jungle wood out there� But wait there�s more! It actually works as a good smoother for more domesticated woods too. Gee, do you think I like it?

Re: Mahogany place in Milan?

Rick - in Jackson,TN

>hi Tony, I talked to him after I got his name from Woodfinder. being new to the area after moving down from Cincinnati, I am still looking for a good wood source. I can't recall the price he gave me for some 8/4, but I will check back and see if I can find it. I did however get some very nice quater sawn WO at Colco last weekend, not a bad price I guess considering the alternative, I got 4/4 for $7.20 S2S. Stay in touch, I go either there, or The Woodwork Shop. Rick