Particular Hinge

3/17/04, 5:45 PM #1

John in West TN
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Particular Hinge

John in West TN

>After reviewing many images of writing slopes (writing boxes, lap desks, etc.), I've noticed that many employ a particular hinge to fold the top and bottom sections. The hinge is shaped like a back-to-back L (or sometimes a bottom-to-bottom L). The image below shows one example of what I mean. While the pictured example has 3 screw holes in the long part of the L, some of the examples I've looked at have only two screw holes in the long part of the L. Almost always there is just one screw on the short part of the L.

Anyone know what this type of hinge is called? Any suggestions on where to get them, or should I just plan on modifying an existing hinge? BTW, I have found sources here and in England for a particular Writing Slope Lock.

Thanks for your help.

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3/17/04, 5:56 PM #2

Dale Lenz-Tahlequah, OK
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Dale Lenz-Tahlequah, OK

>quadant hinge??? To a search on quad or quadant hinge* or actually, I would do the search for: quad* hinge*

Good luck,

Dale

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3/17/04, 6:08 PM #3

Scott in Douglassville, PA
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Scott in Douglassville, PA

>First off, did you ever find a suitable plan? I did - lemme know if you want to see it.

Secondly, the plan I have uses a quadrant hinge with the retaining arm clipped off. Not the most elegant solution, but a starting point.

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3/17/04, 6:10 PM #4

Matthew J D'Avella, Kona HI
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look here *LINK*

Matthew J D'Avella, Kona HI

>White Chapel LTD has this hinge.

White Chapel has the best "quality" hardware selection I have found. I have been using them for about a decade. The best part about their catalog is that (almost) every item is shown actual size. Their link is attached.

Matthew J D'Avella, Kona Hawaii

White Chapel LTD

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3/17/04, 6:16 PM #5

Alice Frampton, UK
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Alice Frampton, UK

>John,

Number 213 at the link below, the "case hinge", was the closest I found. FWIW, on the writing slope I made a few years ago I used brass strap hinges, and they've worked fine.

Cheers, Alf

http://www.martin.co.uk/prodlist.asp?cat1=Hinge&cat2=

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3/17/04, 6:18 PM #6

Matthew J D'Avella, Kona HI
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well....

Matthew J D'Avella, Kona HI

>The White Chapel online catalog is making a liar out of me. I can't find the exact hinge on the web site. They have the side mounted hinge. I suggest giving them a call.

Matthew

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3/17/04, 6:24 PM #7

Paul Brandley
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Paul Brandley

>Scott, please post your plan. Thanks, Paul

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3/17/04, 6:27 PM #8

Sandor in Boyds, MD
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Card Table Hinge #250....

Sandor in Boyds, MD

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3/17/04, 7:12 PM #9

Dan Donaldson
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What is the lock source?

Dan Donaldson

>I would be interested in seeing a lock for one of these.

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I have been woodworking for about 25 years now, and would consider myself an enthusiastic amateur. My claim to fame (or infamy) has always been fixing stuff. I spent time in the Air Force in the 60's then went to work as an electronic technician for civil service. I finally got my EE, and being fed up with the civil service nonsense, took a job with Ford Motor Company until I went with the split to Visteon last year. I got interested in music and started playing in a bluegrass band. I wanted a new guitar, and that kind of led me into woodworking. I bought some books, a few tools, and built a guitar. Luckily, I didn't know any better than to try that as a first ever project. I still play it when I get a chance, so it must not be too bad if it can live for over 20 years. After a stint in Mexico for my job, I moved into a new house and built a small shop. Since then I have been collecting tools and skills, probably more of the former than the latter ;-). Finding this site has done more for my skills and enjoyment than anything else. I have learned a lot and really enjoy the friendships that I have made here. I have been married to LOML (Lori) for 32 years now and have 6 kids. When they are all gone, I want to get a 1 bedroom house (so there is not room for them to move back in) and at least a 6 car heated/air conditioned garage for a shop. (Dream on...)

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3/17/04, 7:22 PM #10

Dale Lenz - Tahlequah, OK
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Dale Lenz - Tahlequah, OK

>Hope the link helps....Dale

Quad Hinges

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3/17/04, 7:22 PM #11

Scott in Douglassville, PA
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Something like this?

Scott in Douglassville, PA

>This appeared in Popular Woodworking at some point. It's in "Building Traditional Country Furniture", page 87. The project is by Chris Schwartz - I'm surprised he didn't chime in.

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3/17/04, 10:44 PM #12

William Duffield on the Cohansey
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William Duffield on the Cohansey

>A quadrant hinge won't work, because it is designed to keep the lid from folding all the way flat.

Sandor's idea of the card table hinge is the mechanism you are looking for, but Martin's does not have the side wing.

Lee-Valley carries something similar, but with rounded ends, which makes them easier to mount with a router, but more difficult to mount with hand tools, and for less than Martins. Item # 00H38.01

From the top, the one you need looks like a butler's table hinge, cut down, but it is not. Those have a spring underneath to hold the side of the tray up at a right angle, and you would have to cut into the spring to get the shape right.

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3/18/04, 4:01 PM #13

Tony - Memphis
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Tony - Memphis

>Wonder if it may be best to make them or have them made? Doesn't look too difficult to make.

Just a thought.

Tony

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3/20/04, 10:41 PM #14

John in West TN
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John in West TN

>Dale, thanks for your post. I did fine one instance of what was labeled as a quadrant hinge that did not have the retaining arm. It was a long staight line hinge. I have seen some images of writing slopes with such a thin straight hinge. However, mostly, the older writing slopes have the L-shaped hinge.

Thanks for your help!

John

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3/20/04, 10:44 PM #15

John in West TN
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John in West TN

>Matthew, thank you for the information about White Chapel, I'll check them out.

Cheers,

John

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3/20/04, 10:53 PM #16

John in West TN
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John in West TN

>Alice, (Alf?), Thank you for the help, this hinge looks pretty much like that found on many of the images of writing slopes that I've seen--certainly closer than any other hinge I've found todate!

I'd be very intereted in knowing more about the writing slope you made, do you perchance have photos or plans? In particular, I've got some questions about the joints used for the sides. In the images I've seen, front, sides and back appear to be mitered joints. I wonder if these joints had more to them: were they splined? Were they mitered dovetail? I'd really appreciate your insights.

Cheers,

John

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3/20/04, 10:59 PM #17

John in West TN
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John in West TN

>Writing slope lock from Horton Brass is LK-30 at http://www.horton-brasses.com/a/search?hb=53534359afa7a46b0375de2d365f4318&keywords=writing+slope+Lock

Also, in England a source is http://websell.pipex.com/alpha-cgi/nichelocks/aboutus.html

Cheers,

John

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3/20/04, 11:13 PM #18

John in West TN
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John in West TN

>William,

Thank you for the insight about the card table hinge http://www.martin.co.uk/prodinfo.asp?id=250 It does appear to fold flush, and the "ring" on the hinge part seems to be similar to that of the image I posted at the outset.

Thanks,

John

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3/21/04, 12:26 AM #19

Dan Donaldson
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Thanks John

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I have been woodworking for about 25 years now, and would consider myself an enthusiastic amateur. My claim to fame (or infamy) has always been fixing stuff. I spent time in the Air Force in the 60's then went to work as an electronic technician for civil service. I finally got my EE, and being fed up with the civil service nonsense, took a job with Ford Motor Company until I went with the split to Visteon last year. I got interested in music and started playing in a bluegrass band. I wanted a new guitar, and that kind of led me into woodworking. I bought some books, a few tools, and built a guitar. Luckily, I didn't know any better than to try that as a first ever project. I still play it when I get a chance, so it must not be too bad if it can live for over 20 years. After a stint in Mexico for my job, I moved into a new house and built a small shop. Since then I have been collecting tools and skills, probably more of the former than the latter ;-). Finding this site has done more for my skills and enjoyment than anything else. I have learned a lot and really enjoy the friendships that I have made here. I have been married to LOML (Lori) for 32 years now and have 6 kids. When they are all gone, I want to get a 1 bedroom house (so there is not room for them to move back in) and at least a 6 car heated/air conditioned garage for a shop. (Dream on...)

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3/21/04, 10:34 AM #20

Alice Frampton, UK
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>John,

I'm afraid I can't really be much help. The one I made was from a kit a looonng time ago, principly as a veneering exercise. The whole thing was MDF (yuck) with simple rebates at the corners. In fact that MDF was the final shove that got me into "proper" woodworking. I would have thought either secret mitred dovetails would be most likely if it was all in the solid, but I think alot of these slopes were veneered so they were probably through dovetailed. I'm not honestly sure, and for the life of me I can't find the magazine article on making one which I know I have somewhere. Sorry :~(

Cheers, Alf

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