Stanley vs Record Planes.

Re: Stanley vs Record Planes.

sroxberg

>Yes there is a difference. I own a Record 60 1/2 and it's not a bad tool, but I've started to purchase old Stanley's, Lie-Nielsen's and soon a Veratis and they are better in my opinion.

The Record is actually good enough that I continued to invest, use and look at hand tools. So it's good enough to push you down the slippery slope.

So, If you want one that's already tuned up and sharpened let me know. I'll continue the free fall and purchase a Lie-Nielsen Rabbeting plane.

Re: Stanley vs Record Planes.

Jim in Burlington

>The Stanley is ok but the blade is a POS that comes with it. Record I'd pass on. By time you buy a good blade for the stanley you looking at more than a hundred. Not interested in a e-bay or fleamarket and buying a good replacement blade from HOCK they A2 cryo blades now.

Re: Stanley vs Record Planes.

Brian Yankee

>if I recall correctly, Fine Woodworking reviewed block plans a while back (maybe 7 - 8 months ago?) and they rated the Record lower than the Stanley because the lever cap on the Record is shorter than the Stanley, thus providing less support to the blade. The cutting tests showed that the Stanley performed better than the Record too.

Re: Stanley vs Record Planes.

John Horobin

>If the Record block plane is marked Record Irwin don't buy it as these now come from china. The blades seem to rock on the lateral adjustment lever which cannot be lowered any further. The older English ones are not too bad but the best ones are pre-war.

John

Re: Stanley vs Record Planes.

Patrick Gibbons, Houston, TX

>My first plane was a Record low-angle block. It was brand new at the time (1996). It took me five or six hours to flatten the bottom. The knob that holds the cap down is tough to reach to adjust it. Retracting the blade loosens the cap. It chatters on tough situations. The bed was reasonably flat and the blade holds an edge fairly well. It makes no sense not to buy the Veritas block plane or the Apron plane, both of which are upgrades for less money than the value of your time you will take to fettle the Record. You will be much happier with the results. I have never regretted getting my Veritas and my Lie-Nielsen 102 block planes. As I've stated here before, I think the best block planes ever made are being made here and now. There's no need to fettle an old one or put up with a flawed new one.

Re: Stanley vs Record Planes.

TheHeretic

>you mention the Apron plane. I have looked at that one and wonder if it will work as I mentioned in teh first post for smaller boxes, trim on tables and furniture etc. I would like to buy a better quality plane and know that Veritas and LN are just that. I have handled the LN and the Stanleys at the local Woodworks but hadnt seen the Records and thus the question.

So I guess the question now would be is the Apron plane a worthy step up for a low angle block plane? or will I be needing to get the full size 60 1/2 in short order?

And yes it is indeed a slippery slope. I have already started to look at the next plane to purchase, a rabbet plane.

Thanks for the advice so far.

Dean

Columbus, OH

Re: Stanley vs Record Planes.

Joe Rogers, Northern Virginia

>Consider an older vintage plane. Sandy Moss at www.sydnassloot.com has a full listing of affordable block planes and is resonable to deal with. I have dealt with Sandy numerous times and he is a true gentleman.JR

Re: Stanley vs Record Planes.

John Horobin

>Certainly it now makes little sense not to buy an LN or LV block plane. When I made the comments above I was thinking of the 09-1/2 - the low angle Record version does not have a lateral adjustment lever. One problem though with this plane is that it uses the lever cap from the 09-1/2 as a cost saving measure. It really needs a specifically designed one which is longer to hold the iron down properly. The brass knob on the lever caps of the recent models is a real pain I find. I still think the knuckle jointed lever caps on the old Record and Stanley block planes are by far the best design to far.

John

Well given your parameters... *LINK*

Christopher Fitch @ Memphis

>I would suggest the following:

1) Don't get a new Stanley or a Record plane...

The Stanley's aren't worth it and post-Irwin Records aren't either.

2) If you can't afford a LN or Veritas right now, then save up for one. Or, consider buying a Veritas Apron plane... This might be your best bet since it's smaller and cheaper but still gives you what you want. It's small size may be perfect for your projects.

3) root around and find an older decent Stanley/Record block plane...

My 2 cents...


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paul womack

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