Err... Chris, Could You Pass The Crow?

2/20/04, 1:27 AM #1

Doug Evans
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Err... Chris, Could You Pass The Crow?

Doug Evans

>Chris (Schwarz):

If you're setting up the meal for next Wednesday, I was wondering if you could set up a plate for the special dietary needs of my friend Ben. You see... Ben is eating big-time crow right now.

As you know, Ben has always AGGRESSIVELY maintained that he did not like those GAUDY, NON-TRADITIONAL, Brass Adjustered planes.

After a succession of such planes, this 24" Jointer finally got to him. At suppertime today he felt disposed to deliver the utterance:

"They're so GD Beautiful! I have to admit, I am a convert."

Now I realize that Ben has probably had scholarly arguments with many people that frequent these sites. In these debates, he has taken the position that such planes were never really produced by the original makers, and they are just totted up fakes for those that like bobbles and such....

So go ahead, throw some grease on the fire. After two days of lapping and hand scraping, I'm sure he's up to a few pokes!

Dont let him weasel out - I have a witness.

Cheers,

Doug

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2/20/04, 2:10 AM #2

Paul Barnard
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Paul Barnard

>Looks good Doug. What's my kit like? I'm like Ben and prefer the non adjuster planes and it really should have steel side walls to match the rest of my plane family. I will be in TO in March, if you don't make it to Ottawa before then I'll try to visit. Just how long did the lapping take? I'm not looking forward to that!

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2/20/04, 2:10 AM #3

Bill Houghton
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Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>If I can get one of those by eating a crow, sign me up! We've got plenty of them in the trees around here. May I pluck it first, or do I need to eat the whole thing? What kind of documentary evidence do you need?

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2/20/04, 2:39 AM #4

John Aniano in Central NJ
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John Aniano in Central NJ

>Doug,

VERY NICE! But it does beg the question - How much does this 24" long plane REALLY weigh?...

John

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My bowmaking web site I have done some sort of woodworking since I was 6 years old. In 5th grade I tried, with my father's help, to make a pine violin. It hangs on the wall in my shop. Later in middle school I had basic wood shop class. No project I can remember that survived from then! In high school, I took wood shop I and II, and metal shop I and II. This along with the usual college prep courses - my counselors thought I was nuts! I made a number of clocks during high school, maybe 2 dozen altogether, including wall clocks, shelf clocks and a pocket watch with wooden case, some of which I still have. I began to collect, restore and use old wood working tools. I especially like 19th century English tools. After graduation, I made a grandfather clock which is now on the landing of my home staircase. I made the metal dial and metal hands as well. In college, I studied Industrial Arts to be a shop teacher. I made a number of projects including a multi-wood specie flax-style spinning wheel and a walnut tool box. In 1978 I began to make stringed instrument bows, self-taught at first. After graduation, between 1982 and '83, I worked for William Salchow, who, at the time, was the best known bow maker in New York City. I stopped bow making in the mid-80's to attend college again, this time for ceramic engineering. Got married in 1988 to my wife Debbie. With her help (although I did a lot of the cooking, hey, I had the time!) I pursued a BS and MS in ceramic engineering. Worked for ~12 years as an engineer in the field of fiber optics (I have one patent to show for it). In 2002 I switched back to making and repairing bows. In 2006 I won a gold medal at the Violin Society of America's International competition. Later, in 2010, I got a second gold medal. Not easy for 50+ year old eyes! I continue to do some general woodworking - dovetailed drawers, frame and panel work, restoration tasks for our 260+ year old home - things like that. Mostly hand work. I have only a few power tools - a tiny 7" blade INCA table saw (which never gets used), 6" Atlas Jointer, 14" Rockwell bandsaw, a circa 1943 Delta 768 10" bandsaw, a 9", 3 foot Southbend metal lathe, Rusnok milling machine, a no-name wood lathe, and Jet drill press. I am a member of the Central Jersey Woodworkers Association - I was the vice president for the CJWA a few years back. I took Mike Dunbar's class in the late '90s and made a sackback chair. Back in ~2010 I outfitted a new, passive solar shop space for bow making and general woodworking. New benches, tool racks, etc. Still working (ever so slowly) on my 10 foot long Roubo-style bench. As of November 2018, the four pieces of ash that will comprise the top need to be milled and fitted, but the base is ~95% finished. Absolutely the largest and heaviest item I've ever made. It has been a fun journey so far!

Re: Err... Chris, Could You Pass The Crow?

2/20/04, 3:03 AM #5

Doug Evans
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Light as a feather...

Doug Evans

>On my circa 1900 kitchen scale about 10 1/2 pounds. Light as a feather - when ones hammers together plane shells all day!

I prefer the 17 1/2" - with the extensions it is reasonably light for its length - 7 1/2 pounds.

Both of these genteel delicate planes would be just superb for working on violin bows... and to think they only take four (may vary by 20 hours depending on experience)hours to build... not getting away with that am I!

Cheers,

Doug

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2/20/04, 3:09 AM #6

Doug Evans
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Equally Gorgeous...

Doug Evans

>We actually have two additional steel Jointers on the go right now - physically they are exhausting beasts to make.

If you let me know where you will be staying, I can drop it off to you - the Ottawa club has not responded yet.

Cheers,

Doug

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2/20/04, 3:15 AM #7

Doug Evans
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Wait for our "True-to-Stew" West Coast Tour...

Doug Evans

>We are planning on touring down the west coast in the early fall - setting up clubs now. I think Mick Jagger will be with us, or Martin Donnelly, or if we can get him: Sam Simpson.

In all seriousness, we really areplanning a road trip for the fall, and will have to stop in!

Cheers,

Doug

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2/20/04, 3:56 AM #8

Paul Barnard
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Re: Equally Gorgeous... *LINK*

Paul Barnard

>I'm assuming the subject of the subject was the plane and not me ;-) Looks like the Ottawa club are lining things up, your on their web page. These road trips are a great idea. I look forward to your Ottawa trip.

http://www.thehobbywoodworker.ca/wwclub/events.html

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2/20/04, 4:25 AM #9

Steven McKinley from Calgary
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Steven McKinley from Calgary

>Hey Doug,

Will your road trip include Calgary?

Steven.

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2/20/04, 4:30 AM #10

Jim in Burlington Ont.
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Jim in Burlington Ontario

>I can see collectors clammering after those long after we have packed it in.

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2/20/04, 4:32 AM #11

Christopher Schwarz
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Christopher Schwarz

>Doug,

I'm afraid they actually were planning on serving Cincinnati-style chili. Oh wait, good news, I believe that's actually got crow cooked right in!

So... Looks like I've got an order for 65 three-way chilis � one with extra crow.

My lord that's a gorgeous plane. Can't wait to try to joint an edge with that one.

Chris

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2/20/04, 5:40 AM #12

Dan Clermont in Burnaby
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Dan Clermont in Burnaby

>You guys better be stocking in Vancouver BC Canada. You can go to Vancouver Washington as well but you better be stopping on the West Coast of Canada.

It'd be even better if you came out during the Cloverdale Woodworking show

Dan Clermont (looking for a file and ball peen hammer in my toolbox)

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2/20/04, 9:10 AM #13

paul womack
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paul womack

>....After two days of lapping and hand scraping,...

Which plane parts are receiving this (laborious and very accurate) treatment?

BugBear

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2/20/04, 10:31 AM #14

Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI
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Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI

>Doug, do you have a site that shows off your planes? Excuse my ignorance, I have noticed your name and planes here a bit, but really know nothing about you. I would be interested in buying some materials or if I really feel lazy, a kit, to make a smoothing plane sometime in the next ten years. ( wouldn't want to commit to a lesser time frame ;)

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2/20/04, 11:45 AM #15

Doug Evans
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Doug Evans

>Infill planes, as you probably know, can undulate quite a bit during the dovetailing process. In particularly long planes, this can be quite bit (they are definitely not a first plane build). On a long Jointer, you want to establish a general flat on the sole before you get specific. You rough out the sides. You have to be buttoned up (the infills pinned) before you really start establishing a flat. Imagine if you innocently begin a localized flat on one end that tapers diagonally across the bed. By the other end of the plane, you could have a sole extension that is 1/16" on one side and 3/16" on the other. Then you have to go at the sides. It takes some experience to recognize early on, such problems developing, and what to do to compensate.

The bed and mouth are the same as in any other plane - but best left right to the end.

Cheers,

Doug

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2/20/04, 11:47 AM #16

Doug Evans
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Doug Evans

>Hi Moses:

I have attached the site below, however, we dont have a lot of these Jointers up yet.

Cheers,

Doug

http://www.shepherdtool.com

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2/20/04, 11:51 AM #17

Doug Evans
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Re: Wait for our "True-to-Stew" West Coast Tour...

Doug Evans

>Those spots are currently in our plans. It is going to be one gruelling trek.

Doug

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2/20/04, 11:54 AM #18

Doug Evans
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Perhaps Ted Could Bring Party Hats!

Doug Evans

>Ben and I will need to purchase some industrial grade WC chapeau's for our travels.

D

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2/20/04, 2:07 PM #19

Ernie Miller
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Ernie Miller Topeka

>any chance of you stopping in KS or some where close? How many people need to purchase a kit to make it worth you while?

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2/20/04, 5:30 PM #20

Paul M. in San Diego
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Paul M. in San Diego

>Hi Moses,

I've been "on the fence" about making one of these planes for some time now. But browsing through this site, I found this link buried within the latest newsletter. There's no way I could stay on the fence any longer with this kind of pull to one side.

My check went in the mail today, and I'm looking forward to the thrilling slide down infill mountain.

-- Paul M.

http://www.shepherdtool.com/News%2004%20FEB%20Thumb%20that%20Dosent%20Cost.htm

Err... Chris, Could You Pass The Crow?

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