The perfect TENON plane

Re: The perfect TENON plane

Wendell @ Murphy, TX

>I would think that you would want some form of rabbet plane for tenon cheek trimming so that you can trim all the way up to the shoulder. I've been using the LN low angle rabbet block plane for trimming tenon cheeks. It works very well in this job. It does an adequate job trimming shoulders too, but I think a true shoulder plane like the new LV one would work better.

Wendell

Re: The perfect TENON plane

Wiley Horne--Glendora CA

>As Wendell says, you want a rabbet plane for this, since the cut will be across the tenon. So any rabbet plane, including a rabbet block plane like the LN60-1/2R, or a large shoulder plane like the LN073. Some like the LN140 for this, since you can remove one side and use it as a skewed rabbet. Some folks use a chisel.

BUT. Please don't develop a habit of sawing the cheeks fat, and then planing to the line. Go for the money right off the saw. You may overcut a couple of them, but no big deal, you can glue shavings or shims on them, and they're golden. And very quickly you'll be sawing them on the money.

Wiley

Re: The perfect TENON plane

Don Thompson, Cutler Ridge, South of Miami FL

>A rabbet plane (in the sense that the blade goes all the way to the edge of the sole), with a skewed blade, because the cheek cut is cross-grain.

The Lie-Nielsen 140 with the side removed works pretty well at this.

Well said Wiley...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>I for one agree about not sawing fat. Now if I could realy trust myself to it...

Re: The perfect TENON plane

joel

>So true, so true.

The single most useful skill I learned in school was sawing straight. And wehn I don't do it frequently I get out of step and need to practice. Which saw almost doesn't matter. but once you get the skill of consistent sawing hand work becomes tons easier.

Re: Well said Wiley...

Wiley Horne--Glendora CA

>I shouldn't have been so preachy about it. But I'm like a reformed drunk on this issue. I once did a big M&T project cutting a little bit fat and planing back, cause that was the only way I could think of to make an A+ on every tenon. Thank the Lord, somebody finally set me straight. It was John McDonald. Please forgive my proselytizing.

Wiley

Hey Joel

Wiley Horne--Glendora CA

>A little birdie whispered in my ear that you now have Auriou rasps and rifflers in stock. Is that so? When you gonna let us know about em?

Wiley

Re: Hey Joel

joel

>As they sing on the bus when it arrives at camp:

it's here because it's here because it's here.

Yes - the largest selection of Auriou hand made rasps and rifflers available in the US. got them in - awaiting the rotary rasp but otherwise everything is here. We just got them priced (expensive) and will get them online as soon as possible. If you want a price sheet (no desciptions or photos) email me privately and I'll send one along.

Re: Hey Joel

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>I thought they sang "the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, the wheels on the...". :)

Please send me a price list, too.

Pam

Re: Plane for Imperfect Tenon

todd stock

>For wider tenons, I really like the 10 series bench rabbets - makes quick work of things, particularly the LN version with nickers.

Re: Plane for Imperfect Tenon

Don Thompson, Cutler Ridge, South of Miami FL

>I have never tried one of those. I almost convinced myself that I needed one last year, but I failed. ;=) I got a skew rabbet plane from Knight Toolworks, instead.

Re: Plane for Imperfect Tenon

todd stock

>Yeah...$350 for a specialty bench plane took some serious convincing. Only reason I bought it was to trim deck joists and bandboards next to inside posts so that the Ipe decking I was putting in would lay flat; however, I like it for tenons wider than my shoulder planes can handle.

Aldren Watson (Hand Tools - TW&W) talks about using a 10-1/2 with the blade skewed as a scrub plane. Have to admit I've never tried it.

Re: Plane for Imperfect Tenon

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>I'm not sure this is correct, but I think that if you skew the whole plane (plane on a diagonal), you get something of the effect of a skewed blade.

Pam

Re: Plane for Imperfect Tenon

Jonathan Ronnow, Sweden

>Yep, you get the same effect but you dont get the full effect of the sole. If you skew a 8, you dont have the length of the sole to help you. But that might not be relevant here. But if you plane close to a shoulder and skew, you will push the plane away against the shoulder. A skew plane can get closer to objects in the way for a non-skew but skewed plane... hows that for grammar =)

Re: Plane for Imperfect Tenon

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Sure, I think, assuming I'm parsing correctly; but in a scrub situation you're working the entire board, so there's most likely plenty of room to keep the full length of the sole on the board for long enough.

Pam

Re: Plane for Imperfect Tenon

todd stock

>I think Watson was looking more for heavy stock removal - I think he hawks the 10-1/2 as sort of a general purpose plane to cut down on the stuff being hauled. Kirby advocates a bit of the same thing, with a 4-1/2 & 7 combo plus spare blades to handle rough work.