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Buying ebay planes advice (ramble)

Sanford Levy

>Hi everyone. I'm wondering if anyone has some advice on basic ebay plane buying. I can figure out which number planes I want, and I find people are reasonably good at describing the conditions of what they sell (so far at least!) but I have been having trouble figuring out what "type" the planes are from the information given or from questions I have asked. Sometimes sellers know, but often they do not. I have asked a few people if they could try to figure it out from the plane type study, since that is easy to do, but most say they only want to sell the thing and don't want to know anything about it. I asked one person if they could see how the frog was attached and he responded he did not know what a frog was and had no screwdriver anyway. I did not bid on any item when I got an answer like that (though all these people were very willing to tell me about defects in their planes.) But in each case, the plane sold for a reasonably high price. I will never know whether the buyers were idiots or knew something I did not.

So here is my question: are there any more or less clear indicators for the age of a Stanley plane, something that can easily be seen from a picture or which a seller can easily answer about? I know about the low vs tall knob and the raised ridge around the knob. Is the color of the handle a give away?

I bought one No. 5 plane at a low price. Once I got it I typed it as a 19 using the plane type study. I have read that type 19 is not supposed to be a great era for Stanley, though the plane has a pretty flat sole and everything seems in good shape. I will flatten the iron and do a bit of tuneup and see how it goes. I have also read that stanley planes from 30's, say, are supposed to be good value. Is there a quick and easy way to tell from a not very good picture on ebay which one you are bidding on? Maybe something like the Disston medallion? (I know, that is not likely.)

Any help would be appreciated. Maybe I would do better if I could see a few hundred old planes. But I have never seen or heard of a flea market in my region, Bozeman Montana, I have never seen a decent tool at any yard sale I went to (though I do not go often anymore), and our antique stores have a very small number of very expensive planes that look like they have been run over by trucks, or better tanks. There are estate sales, but when I take a rare saturday off from working, my wife would kill me if I went to one rather than heading off into the mountains with her.

Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks! Sanford

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Tim Caley - Little Rock

>Planes from the 1925 - 193? are known as "Sweetheart" planes. The Stanley logo on the blade has a heart on it with the letters SW inside of the heart. I suppose this would apply to all Stanley tools of that era, but not sure about that. Maybe others will know. Hope this helps a little bit.

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Ross Canant - NE Texas

>One easy to see indicator is a low knob, assuming it is original (it usually is). The low knob planes preceded the Sweetheart era and are very good. They have a better frog seat design than the later planes.

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Roy Hennagir Vista Ca

>I am at work earning my check from the Marines Corps so I can�t add a picture of my pile of planes. I own about 200.

Buying planes on Ebay is fun. I will say that you really don�t know what you are getting. I have gotten some really good deals and I have gotten a few turds. If someone tells me up front they know nothings about the plane then I accept what I get if I choose to bid. There are a lot more people who know nothing about hand planes selling them then those who do. As far as typing a plane it is also an area I choose to not get into if I sell a plane on Ebay. The experts will contend that you are wrong no matter how you type it. I also always keep in mind that Stanley produced more then one of each of these planes. I would be willing to bet that when the switched from a type 11 to a type 12 they used up all the remaining parts from the 11�s on the 12�s. Hence the frankin planes. I view the parts to a plane as a one up or one down typing. A type 3 plane with type 11 parts is a garage built frankin plane. The blade is the first thing to get changed and I pay about zero attention to it. In fact some believe you can�t even make one of these old planes, plane unless you buy a new fancy blade for them.

My advice is to ask lots of questions of the seller. Don�t expect them to know anything about it so break down your questions to potato head. When you win one explain to the seller how to take it apart and ask that they remove the blade, lever cap, tote and knob. They will not pack them good enough and you will end up with a broken plane. So far I have received a # 20 that was crushed and a # 8 that was broke clean in half. Insist that it comes to you insured.

If you don�t ask questions you get what you asked for.

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Wendell @ Murphy, TX

>I tend to look for type 17 WW2 era planes since they are suppose to have heavier castings and supposedly make good users. They're pretty easy to spot on Ebay because they usually have a black bakelite adjustment knob. Also they tend to have black paint totes and knobs so the seller won't mention rosewood in their descriptions. I don't pay much attention to the blade because I figure I am going to put a replacement blade in it anyway. Even broken knobs and totes are not too big a concern since I can replace them and still be ahead of them game on price compared to LN and most other modern planes makers. I just look for undamaged castings. Now that I've told you all my secret, try to leave some good planes for me :)

Wendell

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Other tools do too

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>I have a Sweetheart spokeshave, brace, and some marking gauges, in addition to my Sweetheart No. 40 (ironically - it's the plane that least needs it).

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Avoid the hype

Dennis

>You will get the most "bang for your buck" on ebay if you watch for the off brands,sargentVBM,early MillerFalls and even Kleen Kutter if you want a bedrock clone.

Dont get me wrong,nothing wrong with Stanley, just too many people think they are worth more than they are.

Dennis

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Steve Denvir

>There are no hard and fast rules when dealing with ebay. Sweetheart era tools are great, but it's not difficult to put a Sweetheart blade in a 1950's Stanley. If you're looking for earlier planes, I find one of the better guidelines is to stick to lever caps with no colored infill behind the Stanley, or no engraved Stanley-period-on the lever cap. Of course, it's as easy to replace the lever cap as it is the iron, so that's no guarantee, but for some reason, it seems to happen less. At least in my experience.

Of course, if you find a Sweetheart blade and a lever cap with the plain stamped/engraved Stanley on it(no colored infill), chances are pretty good that you've got a good 20's/30's plane.

Worst case scenario? You win an auction and the plane sucks? Put it back up for auction.

Good luck

Steve

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Sanford Levy

>Thanks for all the advice! Actually, the information in my original post was a bit wrong. What i bought was a type 18 rather than a type 19. I actually just today saw a type 19 in an antique store and it looks significantly cheaper than the one I got. Sanford

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Patrick Gibbons, Houston, TX

>When I started buying planes on ebay I found that the "off brands" were cheaper. I settled on Millers Falls because the first four types were all basically good in their construction. It seems that while I was at it, MF planes became more expensive than Stanley and I bought my last ebay plane, a Millers Falls #22, for more than what I think I could get a Stanley #7 for. Who knows?

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walt quadrato

>The questions to ask are right there in the plane dating page. Some are so easy even the most unknowledgebale seller will be able to answer.

1. How many patent dates are cast into the bed behind the frog (toward the tote)? most important

2. Is a raised ring cast into the bed as a receiver for the knob? sometimes you can see this from the pic

3. Do the toe and heel have a raised, broad, flat rib casting? most times you can see this from the pic too

4. Does the plane have wartime features (handle and knob stained red or painted black, depth adjustment nut made of steel or hard rubber, or heavier bottom castings)? they usually won't know the last..

5. Is "STANLEY" printed vertically on the lateral adjustment lever? and are there any patent dates on the lever.even some one without a screwdriver can find this info for you.

6. always ask for more pictures

Hey, no guarantees..but it'll get you closer to an informed decision. I'll usually ask if they can see a logo on the blade and what it looks like. Some where I printed out a type study on blade logos..really no guarantee because you can swap blades out easily but generally the blade will have been swapped out for something newer.

I'll buy planes off ebay in the winter when my "rust jones" can't be satisfied; but I'd much rather hit the fleas and tag/estate sales. I ahve a "thing" for the WWII era stuff myself..just something about the feel seems right to me. happy rust hunting!

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Re: Avoid the hype

Bob Nelson

>I'm having trouble wrapping my brain around the comment about people thinking Stanley planes are worth more than they are. I've never been a fancier of Stanley planes, so that's not my problem; more my view of tool prices in general. To me, any tool is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. I might not be willing to pay the going prices for many of them, but they are still "worth" that much if others keep paying those prices. When I was collecting tools, there were many that I badly wanted - but not badly enough to pay their going prices; with time and patience, I eventually found most of them at prices I was willing to pay. This is probably more a semantics thing than anything else, but - - -. Bob

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Black Handles

Todd Hughes

>Actually black painted handles I believe are from type 18 and early type 19 planes made right after the war in 1946-48.WWII era planes have hardwood handles with a dark rosewood stain and normaly steel or hard rubber blade adjusters....Todd

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Re: Black Handles

Michael Campbell

>17's can have a stained red or painted black tote as well. The 18's and 19's were not stained red, however. (All this according to the popular stanley type study on the web.)

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