Newest tools from Lee Valley *LINK*

Re: Newest tools from Lee Valley

William R. Duffield, on the Cohansey

>The curved bottom shave is convex in only one direction. Therefore, it does not work for hollowing Windsor chair seats. For these, you need an inshave and a scorp. It does work for shaping cabriole chair legs, the top curve of rocking chair rockers, Windsor chair spindles, arms and backs, the concave curves on the outside edges of chair seats, etc.

Re: Newest tools from Lee Valley *LINK*

Christopher Fitch @ Memphis

>For these, you need an inshave and a scorp.

In addition, if you feel up to buying yet another spokeshave, you can buy the Clifton 500 Convex shave as additional seat making tool

:)


CLIFTON SPOKESHAVES

Question for Rob Lee about Spokeshaves

Christopher Fitch @ Memphis

>Rob,

they look great! I do have a question though. Can these shaves be set to have a wide mouth for more rough work? The LN Boggs shaves have fine mouths that can be filed to allow for bigger shavings, but I really don't care to do that.

Thanks!

Re: Question for Rob Lee about Spokeshaves

Dan Donaldson

>The following is from Rob in answer to a question about the mouth:

"The target width on the mouths is .020� (will be +-.005) � the shaves come with a pair of custom formed shims for narrowing it down�."

Re: Newest tools from Lee Valley

Lloyd Robins

>I think that Rob said that they are planning to come out with 3 more shavespokes this year as well as the awaited other sizes in shoulder planes.

Re: Newest tools from Lee Valley

Dan clermont in Burnaby

>They look nice! To bad they weren't availlable before Christmas.

Never thought I would see Lee Valley offer a 15% discount on a new item. Is this a sign of things to come?

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

Re: Question for Rob Lee about Spokeshaves

paul womack

>The following is from Rob in answer to a question about the mouth:

"The target width on the mouths is .020� (will be +-.005) � the shaves come with a pair of custom formed shims for narrowing it down�."

I wonder if Rob's been looking at the Record #077. It was bullnose/chisel plane, whose mouth opening was adjusted the same way...

It looks as if the handles of the shaves are round, which makes them cheap to produce on a lathe, but I'd have preferred an asymmetric section, to give more tactile feedback as to the angle of tool presentation to the workpiece.

I'm sure (because they're smart) Veritas R&D though of this; I guess it didn't pass the cost/benefit analysis.

BugBear

Or...

Rob Lee

>...you can wait a few months and have a matching set...two more on the way...

Cheers -

Rob

Paul..

Rob Lee

>... you're absolutely correct - we've thought of it! Within the next month or so, we'll be selling the brass handle-interface joins...you can make your own handles, if you want. Of course - you could do that right now too, without the interface piece, by using a threaded stud.

Cheers -

Rob

Dan...

Rob Lee

>...as you know, we rarely have "sales" on catalogued (cataloged) product - we try to price competitively off the bat. In this case, we are essentially offering a quantity discount (2+ pricing). For these shaves - there are economies of production - they share common parts, and common tooling, differing only in the milling programming for the bottom. That, and we wanted to offer a good deal on the introduction. The "pair" price will expire on March 1st. By then, there'll be at least a third model anyway...

Cheers -

Rob

Or...

Rob Lee

>..a travisher....

Rob

Re: Paul..

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Seems that round is good if you want to provide push and pull operations. Maybe there's some ovoid or oblate shape that would do as well?

Pam

Gee Rob.....

Dave Anderson Chester, NH

>Does that mean you'll take preproduction orders for all three shave for even a further discount? ;-)

Re: Or...

Lloyd Robins

>I am still pretty new to all this. What is a travisher?

Dave..

Rob Lee

>...sorry - we don't do the pre-production thing...

To mis-quote Yoda - "You produce, or produce-not...there is no pre-production".....(ok - it's a stretch...:)

We shoot ourselves in the foot often enough without trying, that it's unnecessary to do it on purpose...

But - "never say never"...

Cheers -

(and end of the movie quotes)

Rob

Well... *LINK*

Rob Lee

>...it sounds like it should be in Lord of The Rings :)

Basically - it's what you get when you cross breed an inshave with a spokeshave....a honking big convex shave...looks like you could dowse with it too...

A link below!

Cheers -

Rob


A Travisher

Are these needed if already have Veritas spokeshav

Russell Seaton

>I realize "needed" may not be an appropriate word. But if I already have the Veritas black aluminum spoke shave, and a Record flat sole spokeshave, is there any real reason to get these new Veritas Boggs style spokeshaves? Or the much more expensive Lie-Nielsen version?

Re: Are these needed if already have Veritas spoke

kees laan

>that's the question: I have already 2 alu -I don't like to switch the toe- and the veritas/boggs. So what is the extra for me as a most of the time "greenwoodworker".

But the exchangerate usd/euro is good for me at the moment, although freight/parcel etc. is terrible.

kees

It depends Russell

Dave Anderson Chester, NH

>I might not be the person to ask since I have almost 2 dozen spokeshaves, but I feel that anyone who is a hand tool woodworker and does curvilinear work needs multiple shaves. Many here have touted the adbantages of the low angle shaves and complained about the higher angle ones. Often this is the result of a mouth too wide open or of a poorly bedded blade. Both of these problems can be fixed, though knowing Lee Valley, they won't occur on their new tools. A high angle shave is very useful in situations where the grain reverses or on materials like tiger maple. In this situation a low angle shave will rip out major chunks of your work and is to be avoided. High angle shaves also do better at taking heavier cuts without having the mouth clog. But back to the question, do you need multiple shaves? My answer is yes. A good selection would be both new Veritas shaves, their low angle shave, a Kelley or

Millers Falls cigar shave, and a mini shave like Glen Livingston's (Woodjoy Tools)bronze shave. I find I use shaves all the time for chamfering, rounding edges, shaping cabriole legs, making bowsaws, and for a host of other tasks. I like the L-N shaves and they are pretty, but to my way of thinking the function doesn't justify the price. My antique $45 Preston original does just as good a job at a lot less money and is just as pretty. As a final note, try making your own with a Hock iron from the instructions by John Gunterman at www.shavings.net

Re: Are these needed if already have Veritas spoke

Rob Lee

>Russel, Kees -

What does "need" have to do with hand tools???? ;)

Speaking seriously - it's a question you have to answer yourself...but I suspect if you ask - then you don't need it!

We've produced these to meet a specific price/performance point...we were no longer satisfied with the quality of the Record shaves, and had to have replacements to complete/complement our line. We're certainly not finished either - there are at least (now) four more additions which will follow relatively quickly.

I would also note that these are not "Boggs" spokeshaves - though we did, at one time, make a shave based on a Boggs design...

Cheers -

Rob

Re: Or...

Ernie Miller Topeka

>I can see you hand reaching into my wifes purse and I won't do a thing about it.

Re: Are these needed if already have Veritas spoke

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>That's my question, too. I've been able to work gentle concave curves and not so gentle convex curves with an old Stanley 51 (the one with the two adjustment screws at the top, not 100% sure of the model number). In addition, I've already got several low angle shaves, including the Veritas and MF cigar. Think I'll have to let the wallet decide for the moment.

But, geesh, these new ones are nice looking.

Pam

Not quite the last quote

Eric Hedberg

>"A man's got to know his limitations."

Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry, Magnum Force

Eric :)

Re: Are these needed if already have Veritas spoke

John Horobin

>Rob,

You have probably timed this just right. I hear that Stanley have stopped making the spokeshaves in the UK and Record stopped making planes etc in September - probably all now going to be produced in China.

John