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Bridge rails started

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.



This bridge is more than 100 years old which could account for its construction details. As one proceeds across the top of the I-beams half inch plates were added to the top and bottom flange to thicken them toward the middle of the span. So starting at a pier there is one flange stepping up to a total of 4 (2" thick) in the middle of the span and back down again to the next pier.

During my absence the ties were installed without shimming these differences. (The RR "shims" by notching ties) Hence, the ties step up and down like the top flange. The result is an undesirable undulating deck.

As a partial correction it was decided to make the side rail flat. This led to the need to fit each post height to a horizontal "line" between sections of the bridge. But there were further constraints. The material for posts is a 4 x 6 x 8'-1/8" timber, to be cut in half to yield two posts. We had to optimize the layout to achieve the tallest rail we could but not wind up needing to cut so much off the 8' timber that the left over would be uselessly short for a second post. It took most of a day to work out a plan. Having worked out the plan we began railing yesterday and now it begins to look like a trail bridge.



Ten hours on the bridge yesterday lugging 4 x6 x 8 and 2 x 6 x 12 soggy treated lumber and this AM I am a bit stiff.

I have two beds underway for granddaughters but the bridge occupies my "woodworking" for now at this critical stage.

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Mark Hennebury

That's tough work for an old fella, I wish that I had half your energy. Good work Bill.

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Barry Irby

Looking good. Whale of a project. I admire your commitment and energy.

I am skeptical of the rail attachment. Just looks like too much lever arm sticking up. Does it feel sturdy?

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johnv

Thanks for the update. Very interesting challenges, like maintaining an old house. Good work.

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code:  needs to withstand 200 pounds

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

...and that is after the rails are on. A mock up failed at 840 pounds as a single post unsupported by railing to adjacent posts. In theory the post should have broken but in fact the screws pulled out of the tie, likely because a treated tie does not have the wood structure integrity of wood not heated to 300+ degrees.

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Re: code:  needs to withstand 200 pounds

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

Every inch of this bridge design has been scrutinized and approved by a structural engineer. A stamped and filed print documents the details of how the bridge is to be built and an inspection will be required upon completion to see it was built as designed. You have never see a residential deck post with the strength of these posts.

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Re: Bridge Tagged!

William Duffield

What you need is some cans of spray paint to protect the rusty steel I-beams. :D


And, don't forget to get a pic with a WoodCentral cap. It would look great sitting on the nearest pylon.

You're doing a fascinating job, and I'm enjoying following your progress.

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Golden Spike or Screw

Tom Dunlap

Who gets the privilege of driving the last screw at the opening dedication/ribbon cutting?

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Re: Golden Spike or Screw

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

Don't know but I drive the first one. By then I will be tired to care.

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I knew that, that's why I asked....

Barry Irby

I have built numerous residential decks over the years and that standard is hard to meet. I would have liked to seen the test of the mockup. The size of the timbers has got to be the difference and the bolting to the steel.

For a while the Code people would not permit horizontal rails. Coral Rails. Too easy to climb over. I suspect they dropped the ban on them when the "Invisible" cable rails came along.

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I've been thinking....

Barry Irby

Better be prepared to come back in a year or so and tighten all the bolts. The timber is going to shrink if it is a wet as you describe. I used 2 x 6 deck boards as wet as they could be, put them down tight together and in a few months had nice 1/4 to 3/8" crack between them.

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Ellis Walentine

Ha ha ha!


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Re: I knew that, that's why I asked....

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

I have built numerous residential decks over the years and that standard is hard to meet. Hard to meet because the posts are not secured to anything near as robust as a 4 x 6 curb attached to RR ties. I have seen the test results for residential decks and the post don't fail, the board attached to the end of the joists fails.

For a while the Code people would not permit horizontal rails. Not at all correct International residential rail code has for years been simply that the opening can not pass a 4" diameter sphere. Try running a bike into vertical pickets vs horizontal rails.

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Re: I knew that, that's why I asked....

Barry Irby

The 2000 International Residential Code in section R316,2 Guard Opening Limitations had a sentence "Required guards shall not be constructed with horizontal rails or other ornamental pattern that results in a ladder effect." But, in the 2003 Version that sentence had been deleted.

The other mistake I made is that this is quoted from the Residential Code. Your bridge is not residential so it may have never applied. And of course, your rail is Engineered. Anything with the stamp of a PE outranks the local Building Official.

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