Maderna Vaccine question OT

Think of it this way

Jesse Cloud

When you get the second dose, the body has been primed to recognize it as an invading object. Your immune system already knows how to make the antibodies and sets to work.

The immune system needs a terrific amount of your body's resources: water, energy, amino acids, etc. and takes those away from normal body functioning. That is why so many feel lethargic.

So stay hydrated after the shot, get some rest, take some nutrition, and some Tylenol or such to ease the pain.

And do get that second dose!! If any doubt call your doctor.

And one little rant. OK Pfizer and Moderna tested thousands of people and only 5% of them got Covid -- that's great, but NOT PERFECT. If you often go to bars, crowded restaurants, and other places where people are not wearing masks the odds are that you will get enough exposures to be at risk.

A thought on perfection...

John in NM

Even 95% efficacy is remarkable when it comes to vaccines, historically speaking. In a good year the flu vaccine gets you something more like 60%, bad year (when the informed guess on the likely strains is off) more like 30%.

And even more optimistic - both vaccines have been shown to be 100% effective when it comes to preventing hospitalization and death - that 5% got mild cases.

But then I tend to like staying optimistic

Re: Maderna Vaccine question OT

David Bassett

Don't know if it applies the same way with the mRNA vaccines for COVID-19, but for the shingles vaccine a couple years ago they told me feeling bad is when your immune system "gets the message" and starts to respond. They told me, for that one, the milder the reaction to the first dose was the worse it will typically be to the second, but for those with a really bad reaction to the first dose they usually didn't see much reaction to the second. It sorta' makes sense to me, but with this new vaccine they may not have enough experience yet to really make the same prediction.

Re: We are still unable to get any vaccine!

Joe in a Cleveland suburb

Hi Jim. No, I'm not. 11 months away from 60 too.

DeWine just changed it to 60 and over, so hopefully it'll change to 50 or 55 and up soon.

Thanks.

Re: Second Shot

Larry verhoff

I had supper with a very good friend of my last night and he said he heard from a reliable friend that if you drink a lot of water before getting the shot that would help from getting a reacting, I already got all of mine or I would try it don't think it would hurt. Good luck Larry

Pfizer reaction data

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

I used to have it but apparently deleted. Pfizer published data on reaction to vaccine in the phase 1 and 2 trials. Phase 1 was half blind so Pfizer could separate placebo reactions from vaccine. What I remember was the placebo group reported reactions near as often as vaccinated group. Older people reported less reaction. Nobody had a reaction that required medical care.

I have talked to a lot of people vaccinated. Flu-like symptoms are reported often enough that don't plan an activity 8-36 hours after vaccination. It comes on quick and leaves with no lingering effects.

Re: Maderna Vaccine question OT

Mark Nowicki

Following this and similar thread and getting more jealous by the minute.

Stuck in a rectal orifice of a province/country with no prospects of getting the first shot in the near future, never mind the second.

Wish we had the "total disaster of a plan" you guys have.

Re: Wife and I are getting the 2 shot of Moderna

Larry Clinton At Frankfort, (Central) Indiana

Well, we got our 2nd shot (Moderna) yesterday at about 1:00 PM. Really had very minor effects so far. Wife is sleeping a little more than usual - otherwise she said she has no issues - not even a sore shoulder. She is 78, I will be 80 in May.

I have a mild headache, somewhat fatigued, slightly sore shoulder, no major issues whatever. Other than the sore shoulder the other effects noted are not too unusual for me normally! Guess the effects may come on a day or two after the shot, we will see!

Think I'll take a nap now, nothing pressing that needs done immediately..

Just really thankful we were able to get the vaccine!

Re: A thought on perfection...

Jesse Cloud

Good point John. I didn't mean to be critical of Pfizer or Moderna. The speed with which the vaccine was developed and the effectiveness are both modern medical miracles.

I meant this in the spirit of retaining some shred of caution. Many of the wood central readers are old farts like me. Even a non-hospitalized case can really mess up the rest of your life. Known possible after-effects include early onset of dementia, continual respiratory problems, weakened hearts, and many others.

I guess this pandemic is turning me into a worry wart. Wasn't always that way!

Understandable, certainly....

John in NM

And also I'm not judging of course I find your perspective much more reasonable than that of some of my younger friends who've declined to be vaccinated when they had the chance (also through the fire departments here).

I tend to read optimistic news more than the doom and gloom, and it shows in my own perspective on this.

I honestly think that the work done this year was nothing short of miraculous - it could have been a 45 year problem, like ebola. Instead, basically 9 months. Amazing. Amazing even if one allows for research commencing after the 2003 SARS outbreak.

I also kind of wonder (knowing nothing about virology) whether benefits of this year's work will also be seen in new and improved flu vaccines. That would be huge.

Re: Understandable, certainly....

paul in AZ

Not just flu and infectious diseases.

The ability to manipulate RNA and DNA has promise to carry over to other diseases including cancers.

Pfizer vaccination today.

Brian retired gunsmith from Colorado

Today I got the first Pfizer vaccination shot. As I write this it is just shy of 7 hours afterwards and my left upper arm where I got the shot is a little sore.

The vaccination mechanism in El Paso County, Colorado is moving fast in doing the shots.

I sent an email to my doctors office parent companies covid 19 portal on Monday this week 3/1/2021, on Wednesday I got a phone call to schedule the shot for today at 2:10pm. Shot delivered within 5 minutes of the time. And after waiting in their holding area for 15 minutes was able to leave.

I went to the lumber yard and got the remainder of the wood for my hard maple workbench.

So my arm was not sore then.

Good luck to all of us on these vaccinations.

Serendipity.

Mark Nowicki

New tech and a sample size billions strong willing to be guinea pigs.

Re: Serendipity.

Sam Force

No not Guinea pigs, just smart enough to know that a vaccine is much easier than being hooked to a machine for a month keeping us alive

Re: some Vaccine numbers

james d runchey

My son got both Phizer shots with absolutely no reaction to either. My wife and I, both well along in years, at 86 and 88 had the first maderna shots with no reaction at all. Maybe it's in our something in our family genes.

Re: Serendipity.

Mark Nowicki

Oh brother..

Take my use of " Guinea pigs" at face value, please.

Re: Pfizer vaccination today.

Jesse Cloud

I had almost the same experience Brian did, except I got my Pfizer shot 3 hours earlier. Now about 10 hours ago. Like Brian I feel a slight soreness in my arm where it was injected. Unlike Brian, I didn't get a trip to the lumberyard.

My wife got her 2nd shot of Moderna on Thursday. She went to bed early that night and slept about 11 hours (way more than usual). She had a sore arm and slight flu symptoms. After breakfast and coffee all symptoms were gone. Hope my second shot symptoms are like hers.

I was amazed at the efficiency and good cheer of the folks administering the shots. Those folk are saving a lot of lives!!

Re: Pfizer vaccination today.

Ron Pemberton

My wife,77 and I ,79 both got our two doses of Pfizer vaccine November and December, 19, 1920 the first injection and the best of our memory no discomfort was present. We still wear masks, avoid crowds and distance from other people. I am my wife's sacrificel grocery shopper and I go as soon as the store opens or do curb side pickup of groceries. I hope this virus deal is mostly over before I crook.

Just got my second shot...

A.J. Hamler

... about two hours ago. (Moderna.) So far, so good, but it’s early — if what everyone is saying it takes eight hours give or take until bad reactions, if any, kick in. We should know around 5-6 o’clock or thereabouts.

The shots were both easy, although this one seemed less painful than the first. Possibly the med tech was just better at giving shots— or maybe my imagination — but it really seems like it was easier. Sally said the same thing.

I’ll keep you posted.

A.J.

Re: ?? for those that got the second shot.

Mark Nowicki

Are you getting them 3 to 4 weeks apart?

In Canada they are up to 16 weeks apart.

I have a decision to make where to get my shot, wait for my age group in Canada

or head over to Europe.

Don't know if I want to be a guinea pig.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/pfizer-wont-sign-off-on-delaying-second-vaccine-dose

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/maimonides-residents-to-get-2nd-dose

Re: Just got my second shot — all’s well

A.J. Hamler

Second shot went fine. Enormous crowd at my vaccination center, but everyone was handled quickly and efficiently.

I should mention that my and Sally’s reactions were identical, mild and happened simultaneously. Got the shots around 10:15. Started getting a sore arm about 4-5 hours later.

By 5:00-6:00 we felt more tired than usual, maybe a bit achy and a little spacey-headed. Had a headache, but Tylenol took care of it. Went to bed around 10:00 and slept like logs. Up at 6:00 this morning and felt fine except for the sore arms.

The reactions were so mild that if we hadn’t just gotten the shots we would have written them off as just being over tired. The spacey-headedness bothered me the most, and by late afternoon it made it difficult to concentrate on a work project, so I put it away for the day.

That’s it. Now we’re all vaxxed up and ready kick some COVID butt.

A.J.

Re: ?? for those that got the second shot.

kneale brownson

We got the Pfizer 2/24 and are scheduled for the second one 3/16.

Just got notified

David Yoho

I just got my appointment notification for this Thursday at 10:30 for the J&J shot. Things finally seem to be rolling in my area with the release of a third vaccine.

Re: Just got notified

John K Jordan

I've gotten four notifications that vaccines are available. This was in the two weeks since I got the second shot! Someone's database in TN isn't quite following vaccination status. Perhaps it's better in other states.

JKJ