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Computer question

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

Moving from WIN7 computer to WIN 10 desk top. son-in-law the computer Geek bought me a Dell computer which I now have. It is set up so that I have to enter a PIN every time I start it. And it has a NSA secure password and an Microsoft account. And apparently? I can not be rid of any of this undesirable annoyance or even change it to something less cumbersome.

I have an older WIN10 portable and don't need to contend with this level of corporate network computer security, not have a MS account, whatever that means.

Is there a way to remove MS from telling me how I have to deal with security on this computer? When I hit start I just need it to start and if I want to change something I do not want to prove to MY computer than I have permission to do so.

PS I despise technology that demands I do something the way it wants me to. My stupid new car won't let me rollup the windows unless the key turns it on. I miss hand cranks and real keys.

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Yonak

Dear curmudgeon,

Please don't blame technologies for cumbersome (posing as "safe") operations. Blame the corporate lawyers who are overly presumptuous about providing safety from lawsuits for their employers. Blame our over-litigious culture. (rant off)

Regarding your question : Do a Windows search for "sign-in options" and go to "password". I'm not saying this will definitely work for you. Try changing the password but, instead of putting in a password, leave it blank, then enter. That's worked for me in the past.

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Chuck in Mtl.

You need to find your way to Accounts in Windows Settings. You should be able to change the PIN requirement in Sign-In options.

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Barry Irby

Have your daughter move back home with you until her geek husband simplifies this for you.

Pretty sure you can eliminate or at least reduce these to the point they are easy to enter.

I, like you hate this crap. My phone goes to sleep while I am using it. apparently I am not active enough for it.

I was wondering in the last day or two if there is any evidence these fancy $300 or 400 car keys have cut sown on car theft?

My son and his wife had similar cars. If he stuck her key into his ignition it would lock it down for an hour or so. Had to get that programed out of it. My 99 Mazda pickup has an anti theft system. When it acts up it turns off the fuel pump and the engine won't start. You can grind away with the starter until the battery is dead. Tried to have it removed, but according to the dealer it's so integral they can't do it. So no one is going to steal my 21 year old pickup, including me.

Good luck.

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Re: '60s Security

William Duffield

When I was in college, and home for the weekend, I somehow knew my brother was going to "borrow" my VW bug, which I needed to get back to school in a couple of days. So, I simply removed the distributor rotor, and watched him push it up and down the street a few times, trying to get it started.

I'm hoping the FSD equipped Cybertruck I have on order will get mug shots, open the doors and let them in before they do any damage, lock the doors and drive them to the police station. :D

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#6

The "easy" answer....

John in NM

Is move to linux instead of windows. Everything is open source, no MS accounts, and you can set it to open the user account on boot if you like. The one thing you need is to set up an admin password, but you can leave that on a post it note on the monitor so its there whenever you need it. the average user needs it only when updating software, probably monthly would do.

However, I understand this may not seem easy to you. These days linux is easier to install than a fresh windows or os10 in my opinion, but I've been running it for 20 years so I'm used to it. The thing that I like is that you can configure it anyway you like if you can dig deep enough to find the right config file to make changes - don't like the music that plays on log in? The switch is in a config file and you have the ability to change it. Just have to google up how you do it.

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Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

sounds great if I had a resident guru to consult as needed

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John in NM

Still got the old machine? Try installing on it. You just download a file that turns into a bootable DVD and follow the instructions.

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David Yoho

Out of the 4 computers we have, only one required a MS account to set it up. That's probably due to it being bought new and the other 3 were upgraded from Win7 to 10. I already had a MS account so I used it for setup. It requires a password when my wife logs on with her user account and a PIN when I log on with mine. There was a time when using a local user account would allow Win10 setup but I think that changed.

Here's something you might try to change having to enter a password to log in to Win10.

Bypassing a Windows Login Screen Without The Password

1. While logged into your computer, pull up the Run window by pressing the Windows key + R key. Then, type netplwiz into the field and press OK.

2. Uncheck the box located next to Users must enter a user name and password to use this computer.

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Walt

I haven't installed Windows 10 recently but there should be a way to not require a Microsoft account or password. It's not simple or intuitive but it should be there. If you have to put in a pin or password when you first turn on your machine, that sounds like a BIOS password which also should not be required but never having had a Dell machine I don't know how to go about getting rid of it.

The suggestion to download and install a generic version of Windows is one that Those Who Know practice. That gets rid of all the "helpful" crap manufacturers install. If you search for Windows downloads you should be able to find Microsoft's download site. Be sure to download the correct edition, your machine's information was sent to Microsoft the first time you set it up. You no longer have to type a long letter and number key. Then when you install insist on a local account not a Microsoft account. There is one caveat about reinstalling though. Make sure you back up any information of consequence on the machine. Once you do a new install everything there now will be overwritten and unrecoverable AFAIK.

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Maybe Not

David Yoho

I think Bill is looking for a quick fix for all the log in business until his son-in-law can physically visit and resolve things. I think what you suggest is way over Bill's head and probably not practical anyway.

I'm not sure why he has to provide a PIN and a password. The PIN is probably for a MS account and I'm guessing the password is simply a Windows logon password. My suggestion above is an attempt to do away with using a Windows password to simplify things until his family expert can make changes. The PIN and Password required on his machine have nothing to do with a BIOS password. I bet Bill doesn't even know what a BIOS is or how to get to it :)

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Buck Nall

"ight, find start, find control panel, U orta see the programs

listed in a gizmo, mess with it & discover U can delete or repair

one of'm.

I'm gonna quit, cause everybody's gonna jump on me heaw.

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A.J. Hamler

Heaw

A.J. Hamler

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Dale Stansbery

I generally find if I google the problem referencing win 10 and a brief description of the problem, I can usually find a pretty direct answer. In this case. I came up with the steps for a laptop, which I would guess is similar for a desktop. click on the window icon in the lower left corner of your screen. Then select settings, the icon looks like a gear. Then select sign on options. you'll find several including changing your password, or eliminating it by deleting whatever is there. Just like measure twice, cut once, read and understand the options before changing them. you should be able to accomplish your objective.

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John in NM

yeah, but he sure predicted your behavior, didn't he? If you don't like the guy, just ignore him. Easier on all of us that way.

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David Weaver

I doubt theft has changed much, but I'll bet the complicated keys make for a good revenue stream.

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#17

Re: Heaw

Jim Matthews

https://youtu.be/RXJKdh1KZ0w

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#18

Tried that  didn't disable

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

I unchecked the box but upon startup it still demands pin or password.

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I like that solution

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

I'll see if I can hire someone to do it...later. Turning it off for now and going back to old WIN 7 computer that Microsoft doesn't act like they own.

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David Yoho

upon startup it still demands pin or password

If it requires one or the other, it sounds like it's to log onto the MS account. If it's requiring both to log on, I'm stumped since unchecking the box didn't change anything.

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Probable fix

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

It currently resides in a nearby shop under the care of someone that understands the annoyance of all the crap that came on this computer and has vowed to purge it. He was in awe of the computer password my son in law installed that China probably could not crack.

I'm hopeful.

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Clint Searl

Easy to understand explanation


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#23

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AZ in Colorado Springs

Your grand daughters could probably get you fixed up in a jiffy ... then back to wood working.

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Johanna Johanson

Thanks for the hint! Now I do not have to enter a password any more! Yay!

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#25

You're welcome, Johanna

Yonak

It's a rare case when I can offer any usable advice about computers.

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