OT battling the Chinese virus

Green can klean strip...

David Weaver

..is mostly ethanol and little methanol.

Surface killing options are everywhere.

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Stuart Johnson

How does this help when the person next to you at the grocery store sneezes? I agree with you about the home made sanitizers but there is also a great need for consideration and awareness.

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Mark Mandell - Gone Round In New Jersey

Especially when Spring allergy season has come on early.

Soap & water hand washing is still the best defense, except, of course, against the "!!PANIC!!"

BTW Clorox doesn't kill everything. Hospitals have to use Peroxide to control C.Dif. as chlorine bleach is not effective.

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Barry Irby

Also, masks don't do much to protect you from germs spread by other people. Except that it may keep you from touching your face. They do help keep other people from infecting you, if they are wearing the mask.

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David Weaver

Mechanically, I think masks would protect you from breathing in droplets if they work right.

I'll leave it up to the medical professionals to determine how good a mask has to be to make a difference.

I always thought it was interesting to wear an N-95 mask, deal with the heat and sweat, and then have a dirty face under it from dust and still have dark mucus. I guess you breathe in less with it, but it's not less enough for me. Not until getting one of the rubber OV masks did I ever feel like I had an apparatus on that would seal my face. Not about to walk around with one on, though.

Maybe at least (masks aside), this whole thing will teach people in public some etiquette about coughing into the crook of their arm. Rather deal with the potential of droplets on surfaces than floating through the air.

CDC information

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

I don't know much about bacteriology but I can make good guesses about what chemicals can do to other chemicals, in this case organism constituents. A 5% solution of hypochlorite is such a powerful oxidizing agent as well as a very strong base that it will react with any component of a cell I can think of and turn it into some different chemical that won't work as needed. It will most assuredly alter and likely cleave RNA in a virus. That said, there are many situations where it would be inappropriate to use for one reason or another. Fumes will corrode the crap out of steel if used in the shop. The strong base will dissolve oils from your hands and irritate.

CDC claims 0.5% hypochlorite (Clorox diluted 1 part to 9 of water) will kill the C.Dif organism if it gets to it. Personally, I have no experience with this topic.

To get back to my original intent: I read that people are facing shortages or price gouging for sanitizers. There are readily available alternatives to what is being depleted. You added another good one-peroxide.

Going to the earth's end...

David Weaver

..years ago, this came up on the razor forum. I was buying and passing around razors at the time and wanted to know what should be done with them before I sold them and before I shaved with one that I got.

I chose clorox wipes or barbicide, one or the other.

There was a whole rash of posts from people who believed it was unsafe, all the way to boiling razors, because even then, they could find something that survived both (bacterial spores). Except nobody knew anyone who ever got anything from a used straight razor at all (it's happened in the past, but it was probably brush and strop that were avenues for transmission of hepatitis in barber shops).

Point being, any of the things that bill mentions will kill most things. I'd imagine folks getting bacterial spores or c-dif from surface contact will be a small number compared to those helped by the practicality of something simple that can just be wiped on a surface without having several steps.

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johnv

one of the big reasons why masks don't help a healthy person 100% is that the eyes are a major portal for this virus infection. Notice pictures of Bacterial infection gear include full face protection.

Surfaces

Mark Mandell - Gone Round In New Jersey

From what I've read, a quick wipe with clorox or similar stuff will not be effective as it's not an "instant kill", but rather the chemical needs to sit on the surface for several minutes. Hence no "wax-on wax-off" method here.

That is correct...

John in NM

And entirely consistent with Bill's point too.

As usual, the flaw is not with the cleanser so much as it's with the complacency brought on by routine in the area to be cleansed. Chlorox is not what is ineffective, the means of it's application - ie the tendency for Homo sapiens to rush through boring work - is what has proven ineffective.

Putting on dust masks *LINK*

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

Correct installation of masks matters. The link below, for disposable masks, is from the Centers for Disease Control.


https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2010-133/pdfs/2010-133.pdf

Length of time cleaning

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

When I go donate blood, the nurse scrubs at my elbow with the cleaning pad for a timed 30 seconds. I sometimes joke about the research that led to this standard: whether the research teams ran tests for 29 seconds of cleaning, 31 seconds, etc. The nurses laugh politely, probably thinking to themselves (and, sadly, accurately so), "Goofy old man."

strangely sensible and mechanical..

David Weaver

I'm all for drastically better odds when perfection is hard to achieve.

"lazy man's way"

David Weaver

This was brought up with razors, too. That the denaturants or oxidizers, or whatever they may be, need time to work.

Take the lazy man's way, wipe them on, walk away and let them do as much as they can. If there's residue (bleach, etc), it's not like it won't come off with an easy follow-up later.

not that it applies, but vacuums with beater brushes are similar. My wife likes to fling the vacuum everywhere. I like to walk it like it's a dog. It lifts things up, hopefully positioning them for an airstream to take them away. How can it work if you move the air stream away quickly?

Not everything in life can be easy - the lazy man's way doesn't really work digging a ditch, but even then, you can often experiment and find pace or mechanics that make it not unpleasant. This bothers my wife. We're supposed to sacrifice ourselves and suffer!!

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Dave Bair

CDC calls for 60% alcohol on their website.

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Brian from monument colorado

I understand buying out and hoarding cleaning agents but why the shortage of toilet paper?

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AlMorgan

One of the symptoms of coronaV is diarrhea.

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Jason Roehl in Lafayette, IN

Stocking up in case of quarantine. Incubation is 2-14 days after exposure, but if you actually come down with COVID-19, recovery and your contagious period could be several weeks longer.

Jason

It's not a "Chinese Virus"

Paul Woolson

And that term is extremely offensive.

Agree

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Yonak

..So, Toula's father in My Big Fat Greek Wedding was on top of it all along.

Not really the time...

David Weaver

...for virtue.

Just my opinion. Most of us see it as a virus that (to this point likely) originated at a wet market in China.

I'm not Chinese, but i have Chinese relatives.

If this virus originated in Ohio and spread overseas, it would be called the "American" flu, and I doubt any of us would have a problem with that.

You're welcome to be offended, but there are more material things for most of the rest of us to worry about.

So when exactly IS the time...

Paul Woolson

for virtue?

And why are you the guy that gets to decide what is and what is not offensive?

I'm not the guy...

David Weaver

..I just have an opinion that's the opposite of yours. I think you're out of bounds, but have zero interest in you agreeing with me. It's just a statement.

I can make a pretty reasonable determination of Bill's intent. His intent appears to have been helpful. This should be important if you're deciding to be offended or not, but it may not be to you.

I don't think of my Chinese relatives when I see what he said because I know it's not his intent. If someone else has angered you by saying it and you're laying it all on Bill (who appears to be using it as a method of efficient definition), that's all uncalled for.

Quite often, I'm offended by something but bite my tongue because it wasn't the material issue that someone was bringing up and I know it wasn't their intent. The nature could be something like this (ethnic) or something else entirely.

I have a PA dutch background and some Mennonite blood (I'm not Mennonite). I don't get inflamed at Amish jokes or angry no matter how many times someone asks me if I know Lebanon Levi (I've never seen the show they mention).

It's a choice. If someone had the intent to offend me and I could tell that was their intent, my response would be different. If they didn't have an intent to do so, I just don't feel like I have the right to try to control their speech or side track a significant and material discussion. it's really gotten out of control in the last two decades and it preys on the desire of most people to feel like they haven't made anyone else feel bad.