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Re: Airtight Small Tins

#26

diffusion will destroy the density gradient

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

"Argon introduced into a space can form a layer below the air"

Indeed it will, temporarily, because of density. But this density gradient is quickly destroyed by diffusion. The gas molecules are in rapid motion. This motion is what exerts pressure on a container. The more gas the more the pressure. This motion rapidly moves gas molecules within a container. After a short time any gas or vapor in the head space will equilibrate to a uniform mixture. An average molecule of argon will diffuse (move) 1 cm in 2 seconds.

You can illustrate how fast gases move with the following experiment. Put a drop of ammonia on some cotton and a drop of hydrochloric acid on another. Put one cotton ball on one end of a foot long tube and the other cotton ball on the other. When, and where, the hydrogen chloride meets the ammonia a white ring of ammonium chloride will form.....within minutes. Ammonia, because it is smaller molecular weight, will meet the hydrogen chloride closer to the hydrogen chloride end.

A more country experiment is to provoke a skunk on a still night and see how long it takes the result to reach the front porch, or bedroom window if it is a summer experiment.

It is a good science demo in you happen to need one.

Re: Airtight Small Tins

#27

Re: Question

ken combs

I'm late to this party but can offer a possible source of inexpensive tanks, CO2 fire extinguishers.

We once owned a company that provided home soft drinks, sort of like SodaStream. We sold syrups and provided home carbonation systems. Our tanks, (hundreds of them!) all originally were 5lb Kidde extinguishers. The valves where changed and re certified by a local gas supplier.

I repurposed some of them as 75/25 welding gas by having the valves changed again, by the same company. Really handy with my little MIG.

May be worth checking with your local welding supply to see if they would do similar, assuming you can locate a tank cheaply.

Re: Airtight Small Tins

#28

CO2

John K Jordan

>>>... a possible source of inexpensive tanks, CO2 fire extinguishers.

Ken, one concern about CO2 from the people who sell Bloxygen:

"CO2? We use ultra pure Argon because it's totally inert. CO2 is okay, but it's not totally inert and will react with water to form carbonic acid. "

Note that they used to use CO2 in their product along with argon and nitrogen but they switched to 100% argon. Perhaps for the above reason.

JKJ

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