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OT - is e-bay feedback legit?

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OT - is e-bay feedback legit?

Doug in Denver

>I have lurked on e-bay for everything from veneer to tools to old post cards, but have never actually bid. I always feel like it's game I don't quite know the rules to.

I always see recommendations, including in posts on this forum, to be sure to check seller feedback comments. So I have done that - randomly - and I have a very hard time believing they are real, for a bunch of reasons. I'll list a few that occur to me:

1) Most seller have hundreds if not thousands of comments. Why would someone who has just purchased some small item like a fuel filter or light bulb take the time to go online and leave a comment? It's not human nature. Especially comments that almost invariably end with an explantion point!

2) Most sellers have very high positive feedback ratings yet it has been historically accepted that people with a complaint are more likely to say something than someone with a compliment.

3) But my biggest reason of all is the syntax of the comments. They all read the same, even if the words might be different, if you know what I mean. Everybody is a "great e-bayer A++++++" For fun, I looked at the comments for a place that sells one of those worthless devices that is supposed to increase gas mileage - some magnet you put in your fuel line. Sure enough - almost all positive comments, but what they said was incredible to me. "Very fast" Great product." "Product as described." "Fast shipping." But many that said things like "Very fast. Product as described. Hope to install soon." Now, what person orders this thing, get's it, looks at it but does not install it, and is so giddy that they have to go online to leave a commnet? Can't be. Tell me they are mostly fake. Please.

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#2

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Ken Oakley-Sunny St. Cloud, Fla.

>I have bought and sold quite a bit on Ebay and I submit feedback because I think it is important in keeping the process as honest as possible. Of the stuff I have sold I have received about a 60% feedback rate from purchasers and with one exception they have been right on target. Feedback helps me determine if I want to bid on an item or not. Also tells me something about people bidding on items I am selling. In over 400 transactions I can only remember 3 bad transactions. I'd say that was a pretty darn good ratio.

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#3

Jack Guzman from Maine

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Jack Guzman from Maine

>I've been buying on ebay for a couple years and I can tell you that feedback is real.It's the reason ebay works. You leave good feedback because you want good feedback.If someone has bad feedback people won't deal with them.Human nature doesn't come into it. It's a system.---Jack

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#4

Incentive

Lee Schierer - McKean, PA

>The incentive is to get posative feedback for yourself so you give it to the seller. Feedback helps keep the process close to honest. We've done a few items on ebay and have been fully satisifed all but once. We left negative feedback for the seller, who had sold something he didn't physically have and then delayed seninding us the merchandise even though it had been paid for for over 30 days. The seller imediately posted even more negative feedback about me, even called me names. We started the arbitration process, but I dropped out when it became apparent that the best possible out come was that I would still end up with a blemish on my record and the seller would be free to do the same thing again. I hoped that my negative response would do him more harm than his did to use since we don't buy much stuff there and he sold a lot. If I cost him one or two sales, then I ended up ahead, since no one has refused to sell to me.

Lee

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Robert Hutchins

>Howdy Doug,

I've never sold anything on ebay but have bought some items - fewer than dozen, I guess. In every case I posted feedback after the item came to me. In one case I posted neutral feedback because the seller had failed to make clear what his sales terms were (wouldn't take a USPS MO). In every other case I posted positive but realistic information relevant to the seller's behavior. I did so because I had a positive experience and want to be able to trust the mechanism in the future. A couple of times I would not have posted if I had not received a prompt from the seller asking for feedback. Given that I had been treated well and had my answers promptly, I felt it only fair to others to send feedback. After all, it costs nothing more than your time to pen a message - kinda like responding here on WoodCentral.

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#6

yeah -- what Lee said....

Brint K in Atlanta

>You have to understand that:

Your reliability / trustworthiness / honesty / etc as a seller is determined entirely by how other people rate you, based on their transaction with you. And that rating plays a BIG part in influencing other people's decision whether or not to do business with you. In many cases, the market determines the price (which generally hovers in the same area for identical products from different sellers). When someone decides to give you (the seller) their business, it's often because of your rating. So it's in your own best interest to treat the customers well, lest they bring your rating down.

While buyers/bidders can choose their seller, it doesn't work the other way. Sellers _have to_ deal with the highest bidder. So the best way to build up a good rating for yourself is to buy lots of items (notice, I did NOT say, "spend a lot of money") and pay the sellers quickly. If you do that, then the seller will give YOU good feedback, building up your rating (I think this all draws from game theory -- right?). In other words, it's actually in everyone's best interests to deal honestly and honorably, and to treat one another well.

So, in answer to your three points:

1) Why? Because a dynamic has developed over time such that the seller often waits to see what kind of feedback the buyer will leave for the seller before s/he leaves feedback for the buyer. Consequently, as a buyer (and assuming my transaction goes well), I will leave positive feedback for the seller as soon as I can, so that s/he will leave ME some positive feedback (thereby improving my rating).

2) Yes -- but that's when there's no incentive for the buyer to leave feedback. If you were to put a Suggestion Box at the door of Office Depot, then you might get a few responses a day (and those mostly from disgruntled customers). But if you riged the box so that it gave $1 to every person who dropped in a suggestion, then I'd bet dollars to donuts you'd have to empty that thing several times each day.

Another reason (and this also applies to question #1) is that, if you don't leave feedback, you'll regularly get friendly, computer-generated reminders from eBay telling you that you haven't left any feedback yet on your transaction.

3) You're right -- the text of the comments are almost entirely mindless. Why? BECAUSE THEY DON'T COUNT FOR ANYTHING. What you've written has no bearing on the other's feedback rating -- only whether you've clicked on the "negative" or the "positive" button. In fact, you could click the "positive" button, write, "This was absolutely the worst commercial transaction I have ever had in my life, the seller is a complete jerk" -- and he'd still get one more positive feedback to add to his rating. Consequenty, lots of folks feel little need to write anything of substance in the comments if it's positive. I suspect most of them read what other folks have written before them, and write something similar. OTOH, if it's negative, I think you'll find that people tend to be quite specific (which attests, I think, to your observation in Question #2).

I've been an eBay member for 4 years and engaged in about 25 transactions over that time, mostly buying. I think it works pretty darn well, within its built-in constraints. The warning, "caveat emptor" still obtains, but if you're smart, do your research, and stay away from the impulse buying and risky merchandise, then you can usually get a good deal.

Just my -- well, I guess it's closer to 12 or 14 cents, in this case...

;-)

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#7

Read the actual feedback

Chad Pearson

>Be suspicious if all of the feedback is for very cheap items. Not long ago I almost bid on something where the seller had a couple of thousand positive feedbacks...but they were all for very cheap things. The items he was currently selling were all big ticket. Something didn't fit. I e-mailed him and got a very suspicious act about only taking western union money orders and that items would ship from Eastern Europe.

I reported the auction...it was removed in about 5 minutes, along with all of his other items.

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#8

Back scratching.....

Mark Goodall - ATL - tooljunkie

>IMO - The feedback is basically back scratching..... I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine.

My rating is 100% based on about 50 transactions. Often the seller posts positive feedback, but if they don't I'll post postive feedback for them (assuming they deserve it) and ask them to post positive feedback for me, which they do.

There are programs that "create positive feedback" text for eBay. That's why you see so much "AAAA+ plus Outstanding!!!!!!" It's a randon postive text generator to help seller (mostly) create new positive text for when buyers ask.

Happy Woodworking!

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Bob Fawcett

>One other thing.

"worthless devices that is supposed to increase gas mileage - some magnet you put in your fuel line"

The feedback is about the transaction, not the worthless junk the buyer bought. He/she must already be sold on the idea that this thing works. The system is not designed to help you find worthwhile stuff, only to have a clean transaction.

I used to follow ebay closely for camera lenses. Many times people would buy a used lense for more than a new one from a reputable discount camera store. Either they just didn't do the homework or they got caught up in the bidding war.

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Fred West in West Chester, PA

>I too have only purchased on ebay but must say that I find the feedback system to be quite flawed. My single biggest complaint is that as a buyer I feel that once I have ordered and PAID on a timely basis that the seller should post a positive comment for me at that point. Instead the sellers routinely wait for the buyers to receive the merchandise and find out what they post before they post.

As a purchaser I did my job and it should be acknowledged. If the the seller does not deliver, is slow or the merchandise is of poor quality then I should be free to post neutral to negative feedback WITHOUT fear of retaliation. To me it appears to be a small case a blackmail. No strong feelings here however. :o) Fred

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Ray, SW Ohio

>I recently had a transaction where the seller left positive feedback on me, but when the item took forever to arrive and then it wasn't the same item I had bid on, I left negative feedback. The seller then took my positive feedback off and put negative in its place. I would of sent it back but with the shipping and the RESTOCKING FEE, it was cheaper to keep it. I take the feedback as a guide, if favorable, its still risky. My 2�.

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Ernie Miller

>It's legit. But it is a simple tool to try and show how honest a person is in there transactions I mostly sell. and have about 750 feed back. but they only show up from a buyer once so what you want to look for is the little line that says all feedbac recieved in my case it's 840 and members who left positive is 725 that means 1 out of every 7.3 of my buyers is a repeat customer. that is where you get your real info. if some one feals safe to come back and buy again than you can usualy trust them. I leave real feed back typlicaly it is Fast payment good comunication would like to do buisness with again. if payment is slow than the fast payment is left out. if they comunicate poorly that that is left out. if I don't want to do buisness with them again I block them from bidding on my auctions. Some where ther is a number that shows how many things I have listed and I think some where around 60% of my buyers leave feedback I allways wait untill I know some one is happy before leaving feedback. if they are not they need to let me know so I can correct the problem. I do correct problems. I have a person who claims that they never recieved a saw I sold I have requested a search for the item at the post office and put there money in escrow as soon as they sign the paper work from the post ofice that they never got the saw it will be released to them. This is the second time in about 4 years that something never showed up. last time the saw was sitting at there post office waiting for them to bring in a yellow slip and get it. I had one person claim that they never got a $300 that they never insured. I did they signed for it and when I showed them where they did I never heard from them again. Most people are honest if they are not they won't last to long. Pay Pal gives you some degree of saftey if you use a credit card. Enjoy spend or sell it's a good place to find them bargins (Miller2u2)

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Great bargains?

Mark Goodall - ATL - tooljunkie

>Yes, there are some great deals out there on eBay...... I recall seeing some really interesting purses and such things recently ;)

Happy Woodworking!

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Jesse in New Mexico

>E-Bay feedback isn't perfect, but there is some value to it. For one thing you have to be in a transaction to leave feedback, unlike Amazon where anyone, including the author, can leave feedback.

Here's a couple of stories. I buy and sell on EBay. Usually when I'm buying, I look at feedback. Once I forgot to and bought from someone with 95% positive. I eventually got the item, but it took several messages and a couple of months. On the other hand, I sold something to someone who wanted a refund because of some flaws that I had clearly described in the ad. My first impulse was to tell him to kiss my ***, but then I thought, why get into a feedback war, so I took it back.

I agree with the previous answers, that it is very important to read the feedback and look to see if what you want is something this guy has sold before. Especially with old tools, sellers often misrepresent their stuff out of ignorance.

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#15

Leave a negative and see . . .

s.mackay@worldnet.att.net

>what happens ! They go ape ! One negative, just about, equals ten positives. Now-a-days a LOT of these folks make their bread on the bay so, yes, its a big deal. With mail order (and with the plastic over the phone) service with retailers seems to be lousy with a few exceptions (LV) so buying on the bay is based on trust and service. Bought a vintage fly wallet that was described as "ready for the stream". took me a couple months of restoration before I felt safe useing it. Left a negative feed-back and wound up on the bottom of a BIG dog-pile. And Ebay was big-dog. After all was said and done, though, they ran the guy off for his practices and atitude.

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Hank Knight from SC

>I had a very bad experience with a seller and started to leave negative feedback. When I clicked on the little "negative" button in the feedback window, I got a warning from eBay that negative feedback was "serious", could substantially damage someone's reputation and livelihood and asking me to seriously consider whether I really wanted to leave negative feedback. I decided it wasn't worth my time and I didn't want to risk a feedback fight, so I simply closed the window and left no feedback at all. It appears that eBay actively discourages negative feedback - at least eBay's intervention discouraged me. I would have to be really pi**ed before I'd leave negative feedback now.

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Andy in Raleigh

>They are trying to deter people from doing it knee jerk. I have a perfect feedback record even though I have screwed up on a couple of transactions because I always did whatever was necessary to make it right. At the time the buyers discovered my mistake, they were not at all pleased and I don't blame them. But when I sell, I always make things right. If anything costs more than just a few dollars, insurance is not optional.

A common practice that a lot of sellers do is hold the buyer's feedback hostage. The seller won't post feedback until after the buyer to encourage good feedback (or else). I don't do that as a seller but it is a really common practice. I think that causes a lot of feedback to look better than it should. Because of that, the ratings are in a ighter spread than you might think, IMO. I would worry about a seller with only 95% positive. There is no way I would ever deal with anyone who had lower than that.

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knotscott

>The feedback system is the best way to communicate with other potential buyers and sellers that a member is on the level.

The onus is on the buyer to research and know the products they bid on. The feedback is usually for the seller or buyer, not for the quality of the item. Even if an item is junk, as long as it's accurately represented, the seller deserves good feedback when they ship it to you "as described" IMO.

ie: Just yesterday I received a 1940's radio chassis. It was described as clean and complete, but was not listed as functioning, nor "not functioning"...they probably didn't know one way or the other. Hey, it doesn't work! But I bought it for the parts knowing that it might not work. It was as described, and shipped promptly, so I left positive feedback. If it had been listed as in good working condition, I'd have a legitimate complaint and would expect resolution or a refund.

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Paul Cates - Henderson, KY

>"The seller then took my positive feedback off and put negative in its place."

I didn't think that retracting feedback was possible. Not saying you're wrong, but if you're not mistaken, then eBay just slipped another notch IMHO.

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#20

Re: Great bargains?

Ernie Miller

>I'm getting ready to open a store on Tia's called fetishes for some of the purses ans shoes I have been getting some don't bring nearly what they should on eBay. Maybe I'll take a picture of my collection for you of Saws next to purses on the basement wall.

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